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Pete
11-10-2014, 05:09 PM
11/10/2014 Conor Allen (D) Hartford ADD Returned on loan from N.Y. Rangers (NHL)
11/10/2014 Ryan Malone (LW) Hartford ADD Loaned from N.Y. Rangers (NHL)

http://theahl.com/stats/transactions.php?f_season_id=48&f_team_id=307

:tweet: @HartnettHockey: Rangers recall winger Jesper Fast from Hartford. Ryan Malone and Conor Allen have been sent to Hartford according to the AHL website. #NYR

Shane Falco
11-10-2014, 05:16 PM
They send him down and keep the disaster on skates Kostka?

Future
11-10-2014, 05:31 PM
They send him down and keep the disaster on skates Kostka?
He'll end up being the 7th D though and then the 8th when Mac returns. Doesn't do any good to put Allen in that position.

Pete
11-10-2014, 05:35 PM
It always amazes me how this time of year they're sending down guys who aren't even playing, or not the reason we're losing, and swapping in guys like Fast.

Shane Falco
11-10-2014, 05:48 PM
He'll end up being the 7th D though and then the 8th when Mac returns. Doesn't do any good to put Allen in that position.

Yea, but Mac isn't due for how many more weeks though? I get your reasoning but I can't stomach that moron on the ice anymore. Fuck Kostka

jjweimar
11-10-2014, 05:52 PM
Allen can use a little more time...I feel with Boyle and Moore coming back soon it will be kostka next down w. Moore as #7

AmericanJesus
11-10-2014, 06:14 PM
It always amazes me how this time of year they're sending down guys who aren't even playing, or not the reason we're losing, and swapping in guys like Fast.

I think Fast might be to sit Duclair if they're not going to use him in the top 9. D will probably be:

Hunwick - Girardi
Staal - Boyle
Moore - Klein
Kostka

Cash or Czech?
11-10-2014, 06:45 PM
Fast has one goal and 8 assists in 11 games in the AHL. Top 3 on the team in points. The only two higher: Lindberg and Miller.

RichieNextel305
11-10-2014, 10:51 PM
What does this mean for Duclair, Stempniak or Glass? Have to assume one, and in all likelihood given his ice time lately it'll probably be Duclair, will sit. I don't see them calling Fast up to have him sit in the press box.

I doubt it'll be Stempniak, who has contributed offensively. And though I am not as against Glass as others, I'm not sure I'm seeing enough out of him just yet. That being said, doubt AV sits him at this point. Have to assume Duclair will sit tomorrow vs. Pittsburgh.

Bretzky
11-11-2014, 12:18 AM
I agree.

Although I think AV's ideal lineup (barring any trades, which I do think we will see (Vermette, Sekera seem plausible to me, while big moves for a Staal, Thornton, or O'Reilly aren't out of the question) is....


Kreider Stepan Zuccarello
St. Louis Brassard Nash
Hagelin Hayes Stempniak
Malone Moore Fast

I understand AV wants Glass to punch people (which he hasn't even done) if they take runs at our stars, but I can't fathom any argument for Glass making us a better team in the playoffs.

I think Malone has some left to offer, and I think the 4th line needs a big body who can possess the puck and maintain zone time while not being a black hole for creativity and offensive play (ie: Glass).

Fast also fits next to Moore much better than other options for that spot imo. So unless we have the depth ventilation to have Hagelin or Stempniak on the 4th with Moore, Fast could be a key player on that line.

And of course, not being able to send Duclair to Hartford is a big dilemma.

Lots of moving pieces, and a few potential holes to fill / spots to upgrade at the deadline:

Center
Bottom-6 forward to fill Brian Boyle's shoes
A reliable Top-4 (or at the very least a bottom pair) D, perhaps a veteran who can eat minutes

And of course, what every team looks for at the deadline: Size? Grit? Playoff clutch performer / role player / faceoff specialist

TwoMinutesForNothing
11-11-2014, 12:40 AM
Lindberg has 8 goals in 12 games and plays center, but we call up Fast. Yeah, makes sense.

Respecttheblue
11-11-2014, 12:52 AM
Fast — another step in "the process;" hopefully a little more comfort and consistency this time up, if he really gets the chance, and if the team collectively decides to get off its keyster (which is a big if).


Lindberg has 8 goals in 12 games and plays center, but we call up Fast. Yeah, makes sense.

I have to guess two things:
•*Fast is up so AV can sit a winger
• AV is not yet quite ready to send Hayes down for a change of scenery, maybe because Hayes keeps looking like he's on the verge of breaking out, oh so close, but I don't know. TO me he looks like a threat to score almost every game, but others say offense goes to die on his stick. I think that's probably what you can expect more often than not, in a promising-but-not-quite-there kid's first year in the NHL unless he's Sidney. You're gonna see the flashes but not the production consistency. it's valuable development, but comes at a price.

DaveS
11-11-2014, 07:13 AM
Lindberg has 8 goals in 12 games and plays center, but we call up Fast. Yeah, makes sense.


And we need centermen too lol. Sometimes I wonder who makes these calls.

DiJock94
11-11-2014, 07:26 AM
I agree.

Although I think AV's ideal lineup (barring any trades, which I do think we will see (Vermette, Sekera seem plausible to me, while big moves for a Staal, Thornton, or O'Reilly aren't out of the question) is....


Kreider Stepan Zuccarello
St. Louis Brassard Nash
Hagelin Hayes Stempniak
Malone Moore Fast

I understand AV wants Glass to punch people (which he hasn't even done) if they take runs at our stars, but I can't fathom any argument for Glass making us a better team in the playoffs.

I think Malone has some left to offer, and I think the 4th line needs a big body who can possess the puck and maintain zone time while not being a black hole for creativity and offensive play (ie: Glass).

Fast also fits next to Moore much better than other options for that spot imo. So unless we have the depth ventilation to have Hagelin or Stempniak on the 4th with Moore, Fast could be a key player on that line.

And of course, not being able to send Duclair to Hartford is a big dilemma.

Lots of moving pieces, and a few potential holes to fill / spots to upgrade at the deadline:

Center
Bottom-6 forward to fill Brian Boyle's shoes
A reliable Top-4 (or at the very least a bottom pair) D, perhaps a veteran who can eat minutes

And of course, what every team looks for at the deadline: Size? Grit? Playoff clutch performer / role player / faceoff specialist

Malone was sent down

Future
11-11-2014, 09:23 AM
Lindberg has 8 goals in 12 games and plays center, but we call up Fast. Yeah, makes sense.
Are we going to call up a center to have him play 4th line wing?

Drew a Penalty
11-11-2014, 10:38 AM
Are we going to call up a center to have him play 4th line wing?

You call him up to play fourth line center. Lindberg is fully capable of playing in a shutdown role because he's very good defensively. It's only recent in his career that he's blossomed offensively. I'd take Lindberg at center over Hayes any day.

Future
11-11-2014, 11:10 AM
You call him up to play fourth line center. Lindberg is fully capable of playing in a shutdown role because he's very good defensively. It's only recent in his career that he's blossomed offensively. I'd take Lindberg at center over Hayes any day.
Well maybe, but I think that's a different argument since Hayes isn't the one that got sent down.

Bretzky
11-11-2014, 03:55 PM
Malone was sent down

So? He can be recalled at any time and re-entry waivers don't exist anymore.

A lot changes over the course of 82+ games.


You call him up to play fourth line center. Lindberg is fully capable of playing in a shutdown role because he's very good defensively. It's only recent in his career that he's blossomed offensively. I'd take Lindberg at center over Hayes any day.

Maybe in the AHL.

In preseason, he showed that he isn't "fully capable" of anything at the NHL level yet, and even that was against squads with only half the roster being NHL players.

J.T. Miller dominated the AHL, but he still has a lot to learn at the NHL level.

Let's not assume things based on 8 AHL goals in 12 AHL games. Plenty of players do well in the AHL and aren't ready for the NHL just yet. It's not an automatic transition.

Dunny
11-11-2014, 04:03 PM
Are we going to call up a center to have him play 4th line wing?

You could use the third line center as the 4th line wing. Y'know, seeing how he's not even really a centerman.

AmericanJesus
11-11-2014, 04:18 PM
The only problem I have with Hayes playing as the third line center right now is that his NHL face off winning percentage is only 28.6% higher than mine.

Dunny
11-11-2014, 04:40 PM
Well exactly. Should he not be honing his craft in the AHL or am I missing something here?

AmericanJesus
11-11-2014, 05:00 PM
Well exactly. Should he not be honing his craft in the AHL or am I missing something here?

I don't know. He's got some NHL tools, no doubt about it. I think it would have been more ideal if we had a RW spot for him, because I think he'd be better off there. But we just don't. We're having trouble keeping Duclair in the line up in an offensive position.

So then the alternatives are Miller, who AV doesn't see as ready or Lindberg. Lindberg might be ready, but he didn't show much in preseason. I don't remember how he was on draws then.

I know I don't want MSL back at center, so I'm ok seeing how Hayes plays out over another 5 games or so.

Pete
11-11-2014, 05:11 PM
The more I think about this team, the less I like the way it's built. They made some tough decisions because of the cap, and now there are just a bunch of 1 off guys who don't seem to fit.

Malone, in a vacuum, wasn't awful, but he can't skate. There's just no 2 ways around that, and it's apparently something AV is holding against him. I don't see a fit there.

Stempniak...Another guy, does something good and you don't mind him, scores a nice goal or a shootout goal, he's in the good graces. But he's awful the rest of his 14:00/night.

Hayes needs seasoning, not good enough for the 3C, probably won't help him to be a 4LW.

The bottom 6 is just in piss poor shape. There are not many combos that even look good on paper. DMoore, to me, looks terrible. He's not the player he was last year, maybe he's trying to do too much.

I mean people can bitch about Glass all they want, but he's the least of that group's problems. 6 players and the only one who can get out of his own way is Hagelin.

Winter
11-11-2014, 06:11 PM
The more I think about this team, the less I like the way it's built. They made some tough decisions because of the cap, and now there are just a bunch of 1 off guys who don't seem to fit.

Malone, in a vacuum, wasn't awful, but he can't skate. There's just no 2 ways around that, and it's apparently something AV is holding against him. I don't see a fit there.

Stempniak...Another guy, does something good and you don't mind him, scores a nice goal or a shootout goal, he's in the good graces. But he's awful the rest of his 14:00/night.

Hayes needs seasoning, not good enough for the 3C, probably won't help him to be a 4LW.

The bottom 6 is just in piss poor shape. There are not many combos that even look good on paper. DMoore, to me, looks terrible. He's not the player he was last year, maybe he's trying to do too much.

I mean people can bitch about Glass all they want, but he's the least of that group's problems. 6 players and the only one who can get out of his own way is Hagelin.

I agree with this on Stempniak, I just avoid bringing it up to avoid being blasted by his fans

DiJock94
11-11-2014, 06:29 PM
So? He can be recalled at any time and re-entry waivers don't exist anymore.

A lot changes over the course of 82+ games.

Sorry missed where you said "ideal." In that case I'll see if I can one up you.

Kreider Stepan St. Louis
Nash Brassard Zuccarello
Duclair Hayes Stempniak
Hagelin Moore Fast

McDonagh Girardi
Staal Boyle
Hunwick Klein

Dunny
11-11-2014, 06:43 PM
Stempniak is the definition of roster filler.

Bretzky
11-11-2014, 06:46 PM
The more I think about this team, the less I like the way it's built. They made some tough decisions because of the cap, and now there are just a bunch of 1 off guys who don't seem to fit.

Malone, in a vacuum, wasn't awful, but he can't skate. There's just no 2 ways around that, and it's apparently something AV is holding against him. I don't see a fit there.

Stempniak...Another guy, does something good and you don't mind him, scores a nice goal or a shootout goal, he's in the good graces. But he's awful the rest of his 14:00/night.

Hayes needs seasoning, not good enough for the 3C, probably won't help him to be a 4LW.

The bottom 6 is just in piss poor shape. There are not many combos that even look good on paper. DMoore, to me, looks terrible. He's not the player he was last year, maybe he's trying to do too much.

I mean people can bitch about Glass all they want, but he's the least of that group's problems. 6 players and the only one who can get out of his own way is Hagelin.

Agree for the most part, especially with Stempniak. This is exactly what I said about him in the offseason before I was ridiculed for it after he scored a few goals in the early going. He is good for ~12 goals a year, but he doesn't really do anything else above average, and he's small (which would be less of an issue if we didn't already have a bunch of smurfs in MSL, Zucc, Brassard (in the top-6), and Duclair, Moore, Hagelin aren't exactly BIG guys.

Hayes, I think could go either way. He certainly has some learning to do. He played his best game so far last game so I'm willing to give him a longer look. (I also don't see a better option right now, unless we give Miller another try at 3C, but Mueller isn't an option there IMO. He could replace Moore at 4C in an injury pinch but otherwise, I don't think he provides much improvement)

But similar to Stempniak, Hayes would be less of an issue at 3C if the players we surrounded him with in the bottom-6 were more like last year's team. If Hayes was at 3C with Zuccarello and Pouliot, with Hagelin, Boyle, and Moore in the bottom 6, with Brassard replacing Richards at 2C, this would be a much stronger lineup and the growing pains with Hayes at 3C would be much more manageable.

Like Pete said, the bottom-6 is in bad shape. Boyle was not replaced and his role was either underestimated or undervalued. And for all of Dorsett's flaws, he's a much better player in all areas than Glass. Punching people doesn't win games. Not to give him a free pass, but D.Moore's game is suffering as well after looking so strong playing with Boyle and Dorsett/Carcillo, he's not part of a mish-mash thrown-together 4th line that doesn't excel in any zone.

Change is coming. (I hope)


Edit: Adding to what Pete said about the 4th line... think about this: Game 7 vs Pittsburgh: opening period: Dorsett makes a smart play at the blueline to pass it where Boyle lets it go through to Moore who dishes back to Boyle for a huge goal that set the tone for the entire game 7. Do you see Glass and whichever revolving door player we have on the 4th line with Moore now making that play, ever?

Dunny
11-11-2014, 06:48 PM
Before Stempniak got to tag along on the Pens run last year he had played in about 640 regular season games and 11 playoff games.

I was sure he was in the league just to help teams get to the cap floor before this year.

Bretzky
11-11-2014, 06:50 PM
Sorry missed where you said "ideal." In that case I'll see if I can one up you.

Kreider Stepan St. Louis
Nash Brassard Zuccarello
Duclair Hayes Stempniak
Hagelin Moore Fast

McDonagh Girardi
Staal Boyle
Hunwick Klein

I don't hate it, but that third line is a defensive nightmare.

Phil in Absentia
11-11-2014, 07:06 PM
Before Stempniak got to tag along on the Pens run last year he had played in about 640 regular season games and 11 playoff games.

I was sure he was in the league just to help teams get to the cap floor before this year.

Well, yeah — he was part of the late-Sundin Leafs, and was then dealt to the late and post-Iginla Flames. And apparently he spent a couple seasons in Phoenix between them. That's a rough stretch.

Pete
11-11-2014, 07:07 PM
Before Stempniak got to tag along on the Pens run last year he had played in about 640 regular season games and 11 playoff games.

I was sure he was in the league just to help teams get to the cap floor before this year.

I feel about Stempniak the way I felt about Dubi. He'll get you 18 goals playing 20+ minutes. Who the fuck WANTS his to play 20+ minutes?

Ideally, you have better players.

Puck Head
11-11-2014, 09:13 PM
How many times has Stempniak been over 14 goals last dozen years?

And not much of a comparison (Dubinsky) there Pete.

Pete
11-12-2014, 04:16 AM
How many times has Stempniak been over 14 goals last dozen years?

And not much of a comparison (Dubinsky) there Pete.In the context I'm talking about there is. I know you think Dubi is Wendell Clark, though. ;)

!br-avery!
11-12-2014, 09:56 AM
I hate our bottom six ,don't think we can go deep into the playoff unless we fix that somehow ,maybe Sather can work some magic

Future
11-12-2014, 09:58 AM
I don't hate it, but that third line is a defensive nightmare.
Hayes is pretty good in his own zone, but I think you could just put Hags with them and keep Glass instead of Fast.

I would do that and just use them as 3a and 3b, more or less. Hayes' line takes offensive zone FOs, Moore's line takes them in the defensive zone. Theoretically, the 4th line could see more time in a game than the third, but I think that's OK.

Slobberknocker
11-12-2014, 12:39 PM
clearly AV has some of the same thoughts brought up here which is why Fast is getting a look. Probably the first time he could do it now that Steps is back. Amazing how much losing Steps caused havoc to our lineup.

Slobberknocker
11-12-2014, 12:40 PM
Clearly they like Hayes's size and hence he's getting a chance to stick here. The league is in short supply of 6'4" wingers. suspect they will do everything to make him stick.