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RichieNextel305
10-10-2014, 09:06 PM
The Rangers are in the market for a defenseman to at least help them survive the absence of Dan Boyle for up to six weeks with the broken hand he sustained blocking a shot in Thursday’s 3-2 victory in St. Louis, The Post has learned.

But there are slim pickings out there at the moment and so for now, the Blueshirts must make do with what they have on the roster and within the organization.

Immediately, though, the Rangers will shift Kevin Klein up to the second pair to skate with Staal while inserting Matt Hunwick into the lineup as John Moore’s third-pair partner for Saturday night’s match against the Blue Jackets. Michael Kostka, summoned from the AHL Wolf Pack, practiced with the Blueshirts on Friday, but is scheduled to be scratched.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/10/rangers-may-have-to-acquire-defensive-help-after-boyle-injury/

He also touches on how this situation could possibly effect the organization's braintrust in regard to Staal's impending free agency:

And by the way, if this team is in such a state of distress because of a temporary loss of their fourth defenseman, what does anyone — specifically general manager Glen Sather — think the blue line will resemble if Marc Staal is allowed to get away next summer as a free agent?

Interesting......

Pete
10-10-2014, 09:15 PM
He won't be allowed to walk. He'll be traded for a younger, cheaper,.stud D.

JOHN
10-10-2014, 09:32 PM
He won't be allowed to walk. He'll be traded for a younger, cheaper,.stud D.

Why would a team trade a young stud for a guy who's about to get paid though? Or do you mean prospect?

Ranger Lothbrok
10-10-2014, 10:01 PM
Send him to Carolina so they can complete that Staal Megazord or whatever they're building there and get back Justin Faulk or Ryan Murphy (I know, I know...but a man can dream).

NYRangers92
10-10-2014, 10:15 PM
I'd give them Staal for their 2015 1st rounder lol.

CreaseCrusader91
10-10-2014, 10:15 PM
He wouldn't resign in BUF, but I'd deal him for Rasmus Ristolainen in a heart beat.

CreaseCrusader91
10-10-2014, 10:18 PM
Send him to Carolina so they can complete that Staal Megazord or whatever they're building there and get back Justin Faulk or Ryan Murphy (I know, I know...but a man can dream).
I think getting Haydn Fleury and someone else could be more likely.

AmericanJesus
10-10-2014, 11:04 PM
Can't deal Staal this year for a kid because it leaves a huge hole while we are a contender. We just need to find a stop gap if Hunwick can't handle right D. We will either re-sign Staal or lose him for nothing unless we find ourselves out of a playoff race down the stretch.

Phil in Absentia
10-10-2014, 11:48 PM
Not that any of these names are dreamy, but there are still a few options in free agency.

Henrik Tallinder, Ryan Whitney and Francis Boullion were all released from their PTO's (though I think Tallinder might be hurt).

Additionally, while cap-wise neither is likely an option, Dennis Wideman was a healthy scratch to start the year in CGY, and Brewer, also a scratch, is supposedly on the block (http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/ana141010.html) in Tampa.

Respecttheblue
10-11-2014, 12:12 AM
It's temporary. Seems like an overreaction to me, and a red rag to the trigger happy traders.

Let Klein step up and Hunwick take Kleins spot in the interim and Kostka — who was beginning to make AV take notice — do what we hired him to do.
Hunwick has NHL experience with the Avs, and Klein should be versatile enough to handle temporary duty.

Mike
10-11-2014, 05:03 AM
It's temporary. Seems like an overreaction to me, and a red rag to the trigger happy traders.

Let Klein step up and Hunwick take Kleins spot in the interim and Kostka — who was beginning to make AV take notice — do what we hired him to do.
Hunwick has NHL experience with the Avs, and Klein should be versatile enough to handle temporary duty.

A lot can happen in 4-6 weeks. It's not as temporary as it seems.

Vodka Drunkenski
10-11-2014, 05:29 AM
Temporary is 1-2 weeks, not 4-6

momentum
10-11-2014, 06:08 AM
It's temporary. Seems like an overreaction to me, and a red rag to the trigger happy traders.

Let Klein step up and Hunwick take Kleins spot in the interim and Kostka — who was beginning to make AV take notice — do what we hired him to do.
Hunwick has NHL experience with the Avs, and Klein should be versatile enough to handle temporary duty.

I agree with this, Boyle is a very good veteran dman but it's not like we lost a juggernaut super good defensive defenseman that was integral to our system such as one of the "big 3" McD, Girardi or Staal, I think ONE of our other defensemen (don't know who right now) will be able to fill the hole DEFENSIVELY while Boyle is out.
We might lose some on the offensive side of things but that's why injuries sucks, you lose something. You can't always replace what you lost with a simple trade or callup. But you have to make the best of things and make it work.
I also see these kind of things as an opportunity for another defenseman to really get a chance to show what he can do. Much like Stralman a few years ago.
Ofc if a good trade shows up you do it but I wouldn't desperately go looking for one. This team has made it for long stretches without Staal as well which is superior to Boyle. I know it's not the exact same team but I think we saw that can make things work.

Slobberknocker
10-11-2014, 08:48 AM
no need to make any rash decisions in the near term. See how this plays out over the next week.

Respecttheblue
10-11-2014, 09:05 AM
A lot can happen in 4-6 weeks. It's not as temporary as it seems.

And what would we end up trading for? ... someone for keeps? or someone like Hunwick probably anyway?

torontonyr
10-11-2014, 09:41 AM
We should send a feeler for that Diaz guy, he seems alright.

Tonybologna
10-11-2014, 10:52 AM
We should send a feeler for that Diaz guy, he seems alright.

Yeah seriously why didn't we resign him?

Vodka Drunkenski
10-11-2014, 11:08 AM
He didn't want to be a 7th man.

Myusername
10-11-2014, 11:30 AM
I'm fine with Hunwick for what is it... like 10 games? Boyle isn't in his prime anymore and it was still to be determined how much he was actually going to help this team. Sucks, but hardly a devastating injury that requires drastic measures

Mike
10-11-2014, 12:57 PM
And what would we end up trading for? ... someone for keeps? or someone like Hunwick probably anyway?

Oh, I have no idea. I don't know if a trade is either a possibility, or a solution. I'm just saying that 4-6 weeks isn't really temporary, it's actually 1/4 of the season. This is the perfect example of what I've always been saying when players leave, and Boyle only played 1 friggin game here ... You never what you have until it's gone, so be careful who you're trading, cutting, not re-signing, etc .. Secretly, there's probably a handful of people here that would give Stralman a reach around about now.

Respecttheblue
10-11-2014, 01:06 PM
Yeah seriously why didn't we resign him?
Yup


We should send a feeler for that Diaz guy, he seems alright.
Yup


He didn't want to be a 7th man.

Oh rats ... that's what it was. He added an interesting component.

Captain Clutch
10-11-2014, 01:20 PM
Is Diaz really that much better than Matt Hunwick?

JOHN
10-11-2014, 01:32 PM
Is Diaz really that much better than Matt Hunwick?

He's much more proven, that you really can't argue.

torontonyr
10-11-2014, 02:03 PM
He didn't want to be a 7th man.

That's funny because thats exactly what he is.

Future
10-13-2014, 12:07 PM
Klein was probably going to see quite a bit of time with Staal anyways, especially in games where we were protecting a lead late and that sort of thing. The bigger issue is that, instead of having Boyle play with Moore in those games, it's going to be Hunwick/Kostka.

The PP takes a hit of course, but I don't think, defensively, that trading for another 6th or 7th defenseman really makes any sense.

fletch
10-13-2014, 07:20 PM
I remember when our defense pairing were viewed as one of the strengths of the franchise.... how quickly things change.

CreaseCrusader91
10-13-2014, 09:08 PM
Anyone want Jamie McBain?

Pete
10-13-2014, 09:09 PM
I don't think anyone wants Jamie McBain.

Lt. Dan
10-13-2014, 10:23 PM
I don't think anyone wants Jamie McBain.

Don't get Bretzky started.

TwoMinutesForNothing
10-13-2014, 11:39 PM
Does anyone want Matt Hunwick?

CreaseCrusader91
10-14-2014, 01:30 AM
Don't get Bretzky started.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1FUFqrY8IqE/Uj3Lw2bdJSI/AAAAAAAAB_Q/V6HmVTSbW2o/s1600/Nod+1.gif

Lt. Dan
10-14-2014, 02:27 AM
Not that it matters much now, but does anyone else think Sathers was a bonehead for letting Stralman walk? I would have traded Klein and resigned Stralman instead.

Pete
10-14-2014, 06:08 AM
Not that it matters much now, but does anyone else think Sathers was a bonehead for letting Stralman walk? I would have traded Klein and resigned Stralman instead.

I said we'd miss him the most. Calm durable player. Seems he and Pouliot are missed right now.

But it's early.

Future
10-14-2014, 09:30 AM
Not that it matters much now, but does anyone else think Sathers was a bonehead for letting Stralman walk? I would have traded Klein and resigned Stralman instead.
I wouldn't want him at 4+ million per year, especially with Staal needing to be resigned.

And Sather did offer a contract extension before the Olympic break. I thought Stralman was dumb to turn that down b/c 3 mil a year seemed pretty good for him, but then he turned it on in the playoffs. Hard to give him what TB did.

So Nashty
10-14-2014, 09:54 AM
It's tough too because we have three guys who are potentially top line defensemen and then 3 guys who are in my opinion bottom pairing defensemen. Boyle.. As good as he is on offense is not that sound defensively either. Klein is average and Moore in my opinion has half a season to prove he belongs and then should be traded, haven't seen any improvement from him since he was aquired.

I'm with brooks here... If this team wants to make a run again they need to address that second pairing eventually.

Vodka Drunkenski
10-14-2014, 10:11 AM
We need Kevin Lowe

Lt. Dan
10-14-2014, 11:05 AM
I agree it's early and Stralman at a little over 4 is a bit much but at a long term price I would have taken that deal. He was solid and was fantastic in playoffs. Sathers ends up giving 4+ to a D man past his prime and towards the end of his career. You can't tell me that sits better with you guys.

Yes Boyle is a different kind of defenseman and can run point but his defensive game sucks. Still doesn't solidify that second pairing IMO.

Myusername
10-14-2014, 11:16 AM
Trade some of our forward depth for a decent defenseman

Cash or Czech?
10-14-2014, 12:08 PM
Forward depth?

In reality, Boyle should be a 3rd pairing guy and a PP specialist. That's a moot point because he's injured, but we don't come away with as stellar a defense as last year replacing Stralman with Boyle. We should've retained Stralman or a Stralman-type player and added Boyle in addition.

MacTruck
10-14-2014, 01:07 PM
Anyone see the Stralman kick save yesterday? It was amazing. He's by far the one I miss most. Would've paid him the $5m he asked for over Boyle or Staal.

momentum
10-14-2014, 08:18 PM
Not that it matters much now, but does anyone else think Sathers was a bonehead for letting Stralman walk? I would have traded Klein and resigned Stralman instead.

We will certainly miss Stralman bigtime. Said it already then, we should have signed Stralman and eventually found a trade for Staal, at 4 mil something Stralman is better bang for the buck than Staal at 6 mil plus. ESPECIALLY since we already have our first pairing down in McD and Girardi. 6 mil plus is just too much for a non offensive 3rd defensman, especially when you're already paying 8 mil plus for your goalie. Right now we would still have both and could have spent the season finding the right move for Staal. Just my 2 cents. I like Staal though and don't mind him on the team, we just kind of chose Girardi over him when we signed Girardi.

NYR2711
10-14-2014, 09:45 PM
Not that it matters much now, but does anyone else think Sathers was a bonehead for letting Stralman walk? I would have traded Klein and resigned Stralman instead.

We would still be in the same position where we are now. We have a shitty 3rd pairing, and that's our main issue.

NYR2711
10-14-2014, 09:47 PM
I said we'd miss him the most. Calm durable player. Seems he and Pouliot are missed right now.

But it's early.

I would say Boyle and Richards are the ones the team really misses. They are terrible on faceoff right now.

BlueJay
10-14-2014, 09:51 PM
Stralman should have never been allowed to walk, thats what this team is missing.

Pete
10-14-2014, 09:51 PM
I would say Boyle and Richards are the ones the team really misses. They are terrible on faceoff right now.

Richards was shit on face offs.

Drew a Penalty
10-14-2014, 09:54 PM
If Jeff Petry is available as some have reported, I'd think he'd be someone we'd consider. He got considerable minutes with the Oilers over the last few years and was one of the few players on that team actually capable of playing defense. Probably won't cost too much either.

NYR2711
10-14-2014, 10:02 PM
Richards was shit on face offs.

But he was key in the locker room. This team doesn't seem to have any direction right now IMO.

NYR2711
10-14-2014, 10:05 PM
Stralman should have never been allowed to walk, thats what this team is missing.

Even if he was here, we would have the same issues, no third pairing. He is far from what this team is missing IMO. Our bottom 6 is in trouble as well. The PK has been awful this year. IMO, Boyle should have been kept as the third line center, like he wanted. That is our biggest loss right now. No one can win a faceoff, and he would have helped our forecheck and pk.

Pete
10-14-2014, 10:24 PM
Even if he was here, we would have the same issues, no third pairing. He is far from what this team is missing IMO. Our bottom 6 is in trouble as well. The PK has been awful this year. IMO, Boyle should have been kept as the third line center, like he wanted. That is our biggest loss right now. No one can win a faceoff, and he would have helped our forecheck and pk.

Klein and Moore would be the 3rd pair. Same as always.

CreaseCrusader91
10-14-2014, 10:49 PM
We would still be in the same position where we are now. We have a shitty 3rd pairing, and that's our main issue.

Not really. Boyle is out, Klein is on the second right now. If Stralman was here, the second is fine and Klein is back in an insulated role on the third pairing. The issues would be mitigated and there would be no Michael Del Kostka coughing pucks up the middle.

Cash or Czech?
10-14-2014, 11:03 PM
Not really. Boyle is out, Klein is on the second right now. If Stralman was here, the second is fine and Klein is back in an insulated role on the third pairing. The issues would be mitigated and there would be no Michael Del Kostka coughing pucks up the middle.

The third pairing is Klein and Moore. That didn't change. Kostka played with Staal.

Respecttheblue
10-14-2014, 11:09 PM
Not really. Boyle is out, Klein is on the second right now. If Stralman was here, the second is fine and Klein is back in an insulated role on the third pairing. The issues would be mitigated and there would be no Michael Del Kostka coughing pucks up the middle.

Basically yes.

This may be rougher going than I thought. I'm prepared to eat some crow, and admit, no matter how well AV is handling the team during this mini tribulation, that Slats may be thinking ahead about a plan B if the lack of ability to step-up to fill the breach continues. I don't know how much more time he gives it, how many more perfect/imperfect storms. I guess we'll find out one way or another.

CreaseCrusader91
10-14-2014, 11:13 PM
The third pairing is Klein and Moore. That didn't change. Kostka played with Staal.

Not the entire game.

TwoMinutesForNothing
10-15-2014, 07:50 AM
It shouldn't be that difficult to upgrade Kostka/Hunwick since they've been awful. I've seen some people suggest we should sign Derek Morris.

Pete
10-15-2014, 08:57 AM
He can't skate.

Hunwick was fine. Kostka not so much.

Everyone needs to stop with knee jerk reactions.

TwoMinutesForNothing
10-15-2014, 08:59 AM
Hunwick looked awful to me. He got pulled for a reason. We might as well call up a kid so that at least the mistakes are a learning experience.

Pete
10-15-2014, 09:08 AM
Hunwick looked awful to me. He got pulled for a reason. We might as well call up a kid so that at least the mistakes are a learning experience.

Read AVs comments on Hunwick.

:tweet:Andrew Gross: AV says Kostka in not because Hunwick did anything wrong to come out. Says others are getting "benefit of doubt." Me speaking: That's JMoore
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Gotta agree there. Klein, too.

AmericanJesus
10-15-2014, 09:14 AM
Read AVs comments on Hunwick.

:tweet:Andrew Gross: AV says Kostka in not because Hunwick did anything wrong to come out. Says others are getting "benefit of doubt." Me speaking: That's JMoore
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Gotta agree there. Klein, too.

So he wanted to see if Kostka could hang on the right and if he could, Moore might have been the next to sit by bringing Hunwick back in? Can't see Klein sitting when we're this week on the right side.

TwoMinutesForNothing
10-15-2014, 09:15 AM
Hunwick was still bad though. Before the season he had the reputation from a lot of hockey fans as being the worst dman defensively in the NHL. I'd still give Kostka another shot because at least he has a recent track record of playing ok in this league.

Pete
10-15-2014, 09:25 AM
Hunwick was still bad though. Before the season he had the reputation from a lot of hockey fans as being the worst dman defensively in the NHL. I'd still give Kostka another shot because at least he has a recent track record of playing ok in this league.

I thought that was DZ?

And really, who cares what fans think? Fans nit liking a player doesn't make him a bad player.

TwoMinutesForNothing
10-15-2014, 09:26 AM
I thought that was DZ?

And really, who cares what fans think? Fans nit liking a player doesn't make him a bad player.

He really was bad in Colorado though. I didn't mind him as much in Boston, but he has not been an NHL quality player for a few years now.

TwoMinutesForNothing
10-15-2014, 09:27 AM
Looking at who else is out there, Carlo Colaiacovo seems to be a UFA.

Also, whats going on with Joni Pitkanen? He doesn't seem to be on a team.

Mike
10-15-2014, 09:28 AM
Hunwick was still bad though. Before the season he had the reputation from a lot of hockey fans as being the worst dman defensively in the NHL. I'd still give Kostka another shot because at least he has a recent track record of playing ok in this league.

The fans opinion is irrelevant. How many games has Kostka played in the NHL? He doesn't have enough experience to have a "track record".

Pete
10-15-2014, 09:32 AM
He really was bad in Colorado though. I didn't mind him as much in Boston, but he has not been an NHL quality player for a few years now.

It took better players, who've played together for years, longer to integrate into AVs structure.

Making decisions on any player based on 1-2 games is short sighted and expecting them to seamlessly transition is unrealistic.

TwoMinutesForNothing
10-15-2014, 09:37 AM
I guess you guys didn't watch Hunwick in Colorado. I never thought in a million years he would make the Rangers. The only reason he did is because he can skate. He can't defend at all.

Pete
10-15-2014, 09:40 AM
I guess you guys didn't watch Hunwick in Colorado. I never thought in a million years he would make the Rangers. The only reason he did is because he can skate. He can't defend at all.

Sounds like JMoore. Who you seem to give the benefit of the doubt.

Mike
10-15-2014, 09:40 AM
It took better players, who've played together for years, longer to integrate into AVs structure.

Making decisions on any player based on 1-2 games is short sighted and expecting them to seamlessly transition is unrealistic.
This. Also, bottom 6, top 6, D, whatever ... can't be flipped at the rate the Rangers flip them every season. Between the off season, and then mid season moves, it becomes too much. And anyone using last year as a basis of "yeah, we can do it again" doesn't understand the game. Shit like that rarely happens, and it's ok to be proud of what they did, but not ok to think they can do it again. They have to turn it around sooner than later.

TwoMinutesForNothing
10-15-2014, 09:42 AM
Sounds like JMoore. Who you seem to give the benefit of the doubt.

No, I pretty much give up on him now. He may still develop, but if we can upgrade his spot I'd love to. He is at least kind of strong though. Hunwick is a worse version of Gilroy.

Pete
10-15-2014, 09:42 AM
And this is the issue I have with paying Girardi all that money. Ideally, you would look at slotting him down to solidify that second pair.

But you can't because he sucks without McD.

Pete
10-15-2014, 09:45 AM
No, I pretty much give up on him now. He may still develop, but if we can upgrade his spot I'd love to. He is at least kind of strong though. Hunwick is a worse version of Gilroy.

The team is cap strapped. I'd love to know who you're getting as a 6/7 that is better and as cheap.

Dunny
10-15-2014, 09:51 AM
Hunwick is just like DZ. One year of modest, early, success leads to 250 more NHL games in which they are useless. That being said, DZ would be more than welcome at this point.

Kostka and Hunwick are organizational filler.

TwoMinutesForNothing
10-15-2014, 09:52 AM
The team is cap strapped. I'd love to know who you're getting as a 6/7 that is better and as cheap.

Are you talking about Moore or Hunwick here? There are lots of guys better than Hunwick. I would take Colaiacovo as a 7th since he's out there. Maybe he could even push Moore out when Boyle is back. As for Moore himself, I didn't say I thought we could upgrade him, I just said I would love to. You never know who is available via trade though.

I think McIlrath or Allen need to be in the lineup rather than AHL vets if we don't find someone else. You may get the same results, but at least they are benefitting from the experience and are much more likely to improve. We have another 5 or 6 weeks of this ahead of us.

NYR2711
10-15-2014, 10:24 AM
And this is the issue I have with paying Girardi all that money. Ideally, you would look at slotting him down to solidify that second pair.

But you can't because he sucks without McD.

Honestly, for me, he hasn't been impressive even playing with McD so far this season.

Future
10-15-2014, 10:51 AM
I think McIlrath or Allen need to be in the lineup rather than AHL vets if we don't find someone else. You may get the same results, but at least they are benefitting from the experience and are much more likely to improve. We have another 5 or 6 weeks of this ahead of us.
After the last two games I don't see how you could possibly justify not giving at least one of those guys an opportunity.

Pete
10-15-2014, 11:22 AM
This team is ripe with youth.

1st line LW is a rookie.
2nd line LW is a second year player.
3rd line center is a combo of 2 rookies.
4th line RW is a rookie.

They aren't going to put a rookie on D, as well. AV prefers veteran teams. Miller or Hayes are sure to be returned to the AHL when Stepan returns.

RichieNextel305
10-15-2014, 11:33 AM
And while looking at this brief sample size, I'd say Hayes is more likely to remain than Miller IMO.

G1000
10-15-2014, 11:59 AM
This team is ripe with youth.

1st line LW is a rookie.
2nd line LW is a second year player.
3rd line center is a combo of 2 rookies.
4th line RW is a rookie.

They aren't going to put a rookie on D, as well. AV prefers veteran teams. Miller or Hayes are sure to be returned to the AHL when Stepan returns.

Young correlates with inexperienced, not necessarily bad.

Truth is, we know now what both Kostka and Hunwick can bring, and it's not impressive.

If McIlrath goes in and has a Kevin Klein caliber game, it's a significant improvement. Ditto Conor Allen, Mat Bodie, whoever.

Nobody expects any of these guys to be transcendent talents - but a little sanity, headiness and stability would be an improvement.

TwoMinutesForNothing
10-15-2014, 12:00 PM
Yeah, Leonard just said in his chat that he wouldn't be surprised if Miller goes back down now. Said he's already fallen back out of favor.

Pete
10-15-2014, 12:04 PM
Young correlates with inexperienced, not necessarily bad.

Truth is, we know now what both Kostka and Hunwick can bring, and it's not impressive.

If McIlrath goes in and has a Kevin Klein caliber game, it's a significant improvement. Ditto Conor Allen, Mat Bodie, whoever.

Nobody expects any of these guys to be transcendent talents - but a little sanity, headiness and stability would be an improvement.

No the truth is that Hunwick had a decent game and Kostka a terrible game. That's all the truth there is.

G1000
10-15-2014, 12:16 PM
No the truth is that Hunwick had a decent game and Kostka a terrible game. That's all the truth there is.

Maybe when you compare the two. Hunwick was serviceable, but he's not a solution.

Slobberknocker
10-15-2014, 01:54 PM
wonder if Sauer is feeling any better.

damn shame what happened there.

Pete
10-15-2014, 02:01 PM
Maybe when you compare the two. Hunwick was serviceable, but he's not a solution.

Welcome to every 7th DMan in the league.

Vodka Drunkenski
10-15-2014, 02:49 PM
If they weren't a 7th, they would be playing nightly elsewhere. This is why Mikey said this going to be more than just temporary.

Drew a Penalty
10-19-2014, 03:38 PM
http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/10/18/changes-could-be-coming-for-struggling-florida-panthers-edmonton-oilers?token=e4793d307e67500401c30a1a0390fd5f

Phoenix is trying to move defenceman Brandon Gormley, who isn’t happy in Portland.

It's from Tubby at the Ottawa Sun so who knows how legitimate it is. Gormley would definitely be someone I'd be interested in. He hasn't been able to make the Yotes, but he was a high pick and has done well in Portland. Maybe we could get away with a prospect for prospect swap and use the old Maloney connection.

Also some other defensemen in there that Garrioch mentions that the team could do with pursuing. I'd definitely look at Sekera as an option.

Mike
10-19-2014, 03:41 PM
We don't need another question mark, we have enough of them.

Drew a Penalty
10-19-2014, 03:45 PM
Just figured he'd be someone worth looking at. I'd look at Sekera or Petry more, but Gormley probably wouldn't cost too much given his standing. He's the right kind of defenseman the team could use. He's just not fitting in with Phoenix.

CreaseCrusader91
10-19-2014, 06:27 PM
I'd take him. He's from McIlrath's draft and he's someone who has some skill.

Drew a Penalty
10-19-2014, 06:30 PM
I'd take him. He's from McIlrath's draft and he's someone who has some skill.

Pretty much how I see it. Gormley is good, just hasn't gotten an opportunity to show what he can do. His upside is definitely something that needs to be looked at. He's pretty much ready for NHL play. He'd be better than any defensive prospect we have save Skjei. Even if he doesn't start he's more serviceable than Hunwick or Kostka.

Phil in Absentia
10-19-2014, 06:49 PM
I'd take him. He's from McIlrath's draft and he's someone who has some skill.

Almost all the first-round defenders from the 2011 draft have panned out to nothing. There was so much hype behind so many of them, yet so few have made any kind of NHL impact to date. Forbort, Gormley, Tinordi and Pysyk specifically. The only one who really has is Fowler, and he had a rough go for a few years there before settling in these last two seasons.

Drew a Penalty
10-19-2014, 07:00 PM
Almost all the first-round defenders from the 2011 draft have panned out to nothing. There was so much hype behind so many of them, yet so few have made any kind of NHL impact to date. Forbort, Gormley, Tinordi and Pysyk specifically. The only one who really has is Fowler, and he had a rough go for a few years there before settling in these last two seasons.

Forbort and Gormley have some tough defenses to crack though. More so Forbort, but they're still very capable. Tinordi sucks though.

Phil in Absentia
10-19-2014, 07:10 PM
Forbort and Gormley have some tough defenses to crack though. More so Forbort, but they're still very capable. Tinordi sucks though.

I get that, and the same can (could?) be said of McIlrath, but my point is that none of them have done a thing.

Puck Head
10-20-2014, 04:49 PM
I get that, and the same can (could?) be said of McIlrath, but my point is that none of them have done a thing.

Well big difference though.
Many of those guys have been getting NHL time.
More importantly, most of those guys stood out at CHL or AHL level since draft.

Mcilrath really nothing.

Phil in Absentia
10-20-2014, 04:51 PM
Well big difference though.
Many of those guys have been getting NHL time.
More importantly, most of those guys stood out at CHL or AHL level since draft.

Mcilrath really nothing.

Sure, I get that too. I'm just saying, none have shown the promise they went into that draft with — especially Forbort and Gormley. The latter of whom was projected as a potential trade piece earlier in the thread.

Puck Head
10-20-2014, 05:02 PM
Final NHL rankings for defenseman were...
Gudbranson
Fowler
Gormley
Pysyk
Forbort
Marincin
Nemeth
Mcilrath
Merrill

So far overall IMO....
Fowler
Gudbranson
Gudas
Pysyk
Merrill
Tinordi
Gormley
Prout
Mcilrath

Outside of those top three in Gudbranson, Fowler, and Gormley..... I don't remember much excitement about defenseman in that draft.
The excitement was about the massive amount of depth in that 1st round (forwards and goaltenders included)