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High and Wide
09-30-2014, 10:19 AM
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PRESEASON GAME #4 — 09/30/14

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Location: Wells Fargo Center — Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Time: 7:00 PM
TV: MSG [HD]
Radio: Click to listen (http://rangers.nhl.com/club/RadioPlayer.htm?id=2010020279)


USEFUL LINKS:

Andrew Gross' blog (http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/) • Steve Zipay's blog (http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/blue-notes-1.811976) • Pat Leonard's Blog (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/rangers/) • New York Post (http://nypost.com/hockey/) • ESPN NY: Katie Strang (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/hockey/category/_/name/new-york-rangers)

rangers.nhl.com (http://rangers.nhl.com/) • flyers.nhl.com (http://flyers.nhl.com/)

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Team Statistics:

GP: 0 | W: 0 | L: 0 | OTL: 0 | PTS: 0 | ROW: 0
Conference: N/A | Home Record: 0-0-0 | Away Record: 0-0-0 | S/O: 0-0
Last Ten: 0-0-0 | Streak: N/A

Goals Per Game: N/A
Goals Against Per Game: N/A
Goal Differential: N/A
PP Efficiency: N/A
PK Efficiency: N/A
Face-Off Efficiency: N/A


Team Leaders:

Goals: N/A
Assists: N/A
Points: N/A
+/-: N/A
PIM: N/A
TOI/G (Defenseman): N/A
TOI/G (Forward): N/A


Starting Lineup:^

TBD

^ Subject to change


Starting Goaltender:

TBD

GP: 0 | W: 0 | L: 0 | OT: 0
GA: N/A | SV%: N/A | GAA: N/A | SO: 0


Healthy Scratches:

TBD


Injuries, Suspensions, Misc:

[F] Derek Stepan [IR] — Fractured left fibula; Out 4-6 weeks

[F] Matthew Lombardi [DTD] — Groin, Day-to-day
[F] Ryan Malone [DTD] — Hip flexor, Day-to-day

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Team Statistics:

GP: 0 | W: 0 | L: 0 | OTL: 0 | PTS: 0 | ROW: 0
Conference: N/A | Home Record: 0-0-0 | Away Record: 0-0-0 | S/O: 0-0
Last Ten: 0-0-0 | Streak: N/A

Goals Per Game: N/A
Goals Against Per Game: N/A
Goal Differential: N/A
PP Efficiency: N/A
PK Efficiency: N/A
Face-Off Efficiency: N/A

Team Leaders:

Goals: N/A
Assists: N/A
Points: N/A
+/-: N/A
PIM: N/A
TOI/G (Defenseman): N/A
TOI/G (Forward): N/A


Starting Lineup:^

Brayden Schenn / Claude Giroux / Jakub Voracek
Michael Raffl / Vincent Lecavalier / R.J. Umberger
Matt Read / Sean Couturier / Wayne Simmonds
Zach Rinaldo / Pierre-Edouard Bellemare / Jason Akeson

Mark Streit / Nicklas Grossmann
Samuel Morin / Braydon Coburn
Luke Schenn / Michael Del Zotto

^ Subject to change


Starting Goaltender:

Ray Emery

GP: 0 | W: 0 | L: 0 | OT: 0
GA: N/A | SV%: N/A | GAA: N/A | SO: 0


Healthy Scratches:

TBD


Injuries, Suspensions, Misc:

[F] Ryan White — Chest injury; Out 5 months

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[I]QUOTE TO NOTE:


"The kids know there's ice time and roles available. It's a good situation for our team in the sense that we
are being put in a situation where we have decisions to make. That's a lot more pleasant and fun for everybody."

— Coach Alain Vigneault


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phillyb™
09-30-2014, 10:42 AM
FUCK YEAH.
hope del zotto plays tonight.
i can't believe philly's preseason schedule. it's pretty nuts.

Slobberknocker
09-30-2014, 11:04 AM
good test to give the kids a back to back against better competition. see what kind of game they bring tonight.

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 12:17 PM
:tweet: @stevezipay: At optional in Phil: Talbot, missianen, Bodie, Allen, Kostka, JMoore and Fs Kristo, Lindberg, Duclair, Haggerty, Stempniak (more)

:tweet: @stevezipay: Dom Moore, Hrivik, Hayes, Hagelin, Tarnasky, RBourque...

:tweet: @stevezipay: NYR Malone, Girardi skated in NY. Lombardi did not

:tweet: @stevezipay: Mueller, Klein, Hunwick will round out roster tonight for #NYR

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Here's the Rangers' lineup for Tuesday night:

Goalies: Cam Talbot, Jason Missiaen

Defensemen: Conor Allen, Mat Bodie, Matt Hunwick, Kevin Klein, Mike Kostka, John Moore

Forwards: Ryan Bourque, Anthony Duclair, Carl Hagelin, Ryan Haggerty, Kevin Hayes, Marek Hrivik, Danny Kristo, Oscar Lindberg, Dominic Moore, Chris Mueller, Lee Stempniak, Nick Tarnasky

http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6689/tuesday-s-rangers-lineup-talbot-starts-bodie-debuts?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweets&utm_content=twitter_1412096011#.VCrhsSldWe8

Puck Head
09-30-2014, 01:19 PM
That Blue line gave me flashbacks of the Rangers 10 years ago.
I forget how spoiled I've become as a fan of this team lately.

Captain Clutch
09-30-2014, 01:45 PM
John Moore playing a lot, seems like the Rangers aren't sure of him. But I do like finally getting to see Bodie play.

Slobberknocker
09-30-2014, 02:34 PM
i thought Hunwick looked o.k. last nite.

Kevin
09-30-2014, 02:38 PM
Looks a lot like the Flyers travel line-up last night for us. Let's see what the kids do without all the veteran presence around. Still excited though!

SyKeS
09-30-2014, 04:11 PM
Still no starting lineup? Can't seem to find the line combos anywhere...

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 04:36 PM
Still no starting lineup? Can't seem to find the line combos anywhere...

The combos themselves haven't been released yet, but the line-up was released earlier here:


Here's the Rangers' lineup for Tuesday night:

Goalies: Cam Talbot, Jason Missiaen

Defensemen: Conor Allen, Mat Bodie, Matt Hunwick, Kevin Klein, Mike Kostka, John Moore

Forwards: Ryan Bourque, Anthony Duclair, Carl Hagelin, Ryan Haggerty, Kevin Hayes, Marek Hrivik, Danny Kristo, Oscar Lindberg, Dominic Moore, Chris Mueller, Lee Stempniak, Nick Tarnasky

http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6689/tuesday-s-rangers-lineup-talbot-starts-bodie-debuts?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweets&utm_content=twitter_1412096011#.VCrhsSldWe8

SyKeS
09-30-2014, 05:39 PM
Does anyone know if there's a live feed of the game? I work late this evening.... please PM me.

FleshistheFever
09-30-2014, 05:59 PM
Flyers are coming hard tonight with that line up. Come on kiddies!

Prediction of the night: The Duke outscores Simmonds.

Slobberknocker
09-30-2014, 07:04 PM
funny the lead in shows simmonds pushing boyle around... coincidence?

Cash or Czech?
09-30-2014, 07:05 PM
Basically the opposite of last night. They're icing a lot of NHLers while we're playing kids and minor leaguers. Don't expect a fun outcome outta this one.

FleshistheFever
09-30-2014, 07:07 PM
They're definitely going to take it to us. This is a good test.

Slobberknocker
09-30-2014, 07:10 PM
i really hate that color orange

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 07:10 PM
Main cam is out of focus.

Slobberknocker
09-30-2014, 07:12 PM
still cant believe they got rid of hartnell, but happy about it

Slobberknocker
09-30-2014, 07:13 PM
there goes the golden boy.

FleshistheFever
09-30-2014, 07:15 PM
Hagelicious

Slobberknocker
09-30-2014, 07:15 PM
Hags stepping up his game.

Morphinity
09-30-2014, 07:15 PM
What a fucking shot.

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 07:15 PM
Great heads-up play by Moore.

Slobberknocker
09-30-2014, 07:16 PM
is that on del zotto there?

Cash or Czech?
09-30-2014, 07:16 PM
Hagelin don't need no Boyle to score shorthanded. Nice goal!

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 07:16 PM
is that on del zotto there?

He's playing tonight, yes.

Morphinity
09-30-2014, 07:16 PM
is that on del zotto there?

Yep :p

Slobberknocker
09-30-2014, 07:17 PM
i meant was it his fault?

Myusername
09-30-2014, 07:21 PM
That Hagelin goal was sweeet

Puck Head
09-30-2014, 07:27 PM
Appreciate the turnover Del Zotto

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 07:29 PM
Hunwick has really come around since that first game. He and McIlrath IMO have the inside track on the seventh D spot.

SirSnuggles
09-30-2014, 07:29 PM
Typical Del Zotto duh moment pass.

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 07:31 PM
Hayes just deked into the post! :rofl:

Great patience, though.

Morphinity
09-30-2014, 07:32 PM
Lol, Bodie. Be a man.

Slobberknocker
09-30-2014, 07:33 PM
got a little loosey goosey there

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 07:35 PM
Lol, Bodie. Be a man.

It's tough for him. He's only like 5 pounds.

Morphinity
09-30-2014, 07:38 PM
It's tough for him. He's only like 5 pounds.

If he had just stepped up... It wasn't an odd-man rush.

Myusername
09-30-2014, 07:41 PM
Poor Kristo... he's probably not making it

Myusername
09-30-2014, 07:42 PM
Giroux took a flop

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 07:43 PM
Poor Kristo... he's probably not making it

Why poor him? Poor camp, is more like it.

Myusername
09-30-2014, 07:44 PM
Not a bad period considering our laughable roster

Myusername
09-30-2014, 07:44 PM
Why poor him? Poor camp, is more like it.

He's been OK. Just so many people ahead of him. I really don't think he's going to be a Ranger by the end of the season

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 07:45 PM
Poor Kristo... he's probably not making it

He sucks. Can't play defense and even his offense is nothing spectacular. I'd just trade him before he becomes a UFA.

Morphinity
09-30-2014, 07:45 PM
Not a bad period considering our laughable roster

Why is our roster laughable? It has Duclair on it, right?

Myusername
09-30-2014, 07:48 PM
Why is our roster laughable? It has Duclair on it, right?

Not sure what you're going for there

SaveByRichter35
09-30-2014, 07:55 PM
Duclair is like the next coming of Wayne Gretzky, or at least that's what everyone on here is making him out to be, is what I think she is getting at.

Morphinity
09-30-2014, 07:58 PM
Duclair is like the next coming of Wayne Gretzky, or at least that's what everyone on here is making him out to be, is what I think she is getting at.

This guy gets it. Though I'm not a she. :rofl:

AmericanJesus
09-30-2014, 08:03 PM
You not what really pisses me off? When a fan of a team gets excited when a prospect for that team looks good in preseason. I feel the need to mock them to show my superior understanding of the development process.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:04 PM
Kristo got lucky that he didn't get called for hooking there.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:07 PM
Be greedy there, Duke. Klein isn't an offensive player.

Myusername
09-30-2014, 08:07 PM
Who passes to Klein

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 08:07 PM
Gotta shoot that, Duclair!

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:10 PM
Grossman? Ugh.

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 08:10 PM
Gross, man. They gave him an hour to tee that up.

Myusername
09-30-2014, 08:11 PM
How the hell did that get through

Morphinity
09-30-2014, 08:11 PM
You not what really pisses me off? When a fan of a team gets excited when a prospect for that team looks good in preseason. I feel the need to mock them to show my superior understanding of the development process.

I'm just ribbing, dawg. No need to get pissy.

Ribbed. For your pleasure.

Myusername
09-30-2014, 08:14 PM
Allen hasn't really impressed me too much. Another bad turnover

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:15 PM
Allen hasn't really impressed me too much. Another bad turnover

He's been good outside of that. Normally his clears and breakout passes are better. He's not supposed to be noticeable given that he plays a quiet, steady game.

DiJock94
09-30-2014, 08:15 PM
It seems like Allen gets praised here all the time and McIlrath constantly gets bashed but they have made the same amount of dumb turnovers. Allen doesn't look very good.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:16 PM
Why go after Teeny Tiny Bourque?

SaveByRichter35
09-30-2014, 08:17 PM
This guy gets it. Though I'm not a she. :rofl:
Shit dude my bad, that was a typo lol.

You not what really pisses me off? When a fan of a team gets excited when a prospect for that team looks good in preseason. I feel the need to mock them to show my superior understanding of the development process.

Why would you feel the need to mock someone to show you know more than them? That's pretty unnecessary dude.

Lt. Dan
09-30-2014, 08:17 PM
It seems like Allen gets praised here all the time and McIlrath constantly gets bashed but they have made the same amount of dumb turnovers. Allen doesn't look very good.

Allen wasn't a top 10 pick though. Expectations are much higher for McIlrath.

AmericanJesus
09-30-2014, 08:18 PM
Shit dude my bad, that was a typo lol.

Why would you feel the need to mock someone to show you know more than them? That's pretty unnecessary dude.

So why are you mocking folks that have been impressed with Duclair so far?

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:19 PM
Allen wasn't a top 10 pick though. Expectations are much higher for McIlrath.

Bingo. But Allen also looks better. He at least knows how to play his man. People will pick him apart every time he has a turnover, but will neglect the fact that he's steady every other moment.

Myusername
09-30-2014, 08:20 PM
Allen wasn't a top 10 pick though. Expectations are much higher for McIlrath.

Maybe a year or two ago. Don't have much expectations for him at this point

DiJock94
09-30-2014, 08:21 PM
Allen wasn't a top 10 pick though. Expectations are much higher for McIlrath.

I don't recall the expectations ever being very high for Mcilrath even when drafted. The hopes were he would be a big physically intimidating player that won't be slow as whale shit.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:23 PM
I don't recall the expectations ever being very high for Mcilrath even when drafted. The hopes were he would be a big physically intimidating player that won't be slow as whale shit.

The expectation was that he would at least be ready at this point and could possibly top out as a second pair guy. People can grumble about a top 10 pick being shit more than a college free agent.

SaveByRichter35
09-30-2014, 08:23 PM
So why are you mocking folks that have been impressed with Duclair so far?

Lol ok guy who am I mocking?? I myself have posted about how excited I am for this kid and Hayes. Get off your pedistal bro. Don't get pissy at me because I caught Morphinity's sarcasm and understood the joke he was trying to make while it soared over your head.

DiJock94
09-30-2014, 08:23 PM
Bingo. But Allen also looks better. He at least knows how to play his man. People will pick him apart every time he has a turnover, but will neglect the fact that he's steady every other moment.

This is my point. Allen can do no wrong. McIlrath can do no good.

Morphinity
09-30-2014, 08:23 PM
Talbot really has the "look up to the sky" down. Hank has been giving him pointers.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:24 PM
This is my point. Allen can do no wrong. McIlrath can do no good.

I can say the same for your point of view. I provided an argument as to why I feel Allen is better than people think. You want to take a go as to why McIlrath shouldn't take flak?

DiJock94
09-30-2014, 08:27 PM
I can say the same for your point of view. I provided an argument as to why I feel Allen is better than people think. You want to take a go as to why McIlrath shouldn't take flak?

He's big physical is a good skater for his size can defend his teammates very well.

AmericanJesus
09-30-2014, 08:27 PM
Duclair is like the next coming of Wayne Gretzky, or at least that's what everyone on here is making him out to be, is what I think she is getting at.

This isn't meant to mock?

DiJock94
09-30-2014, 08:28 PM
I don't hate Allen either it just blows my mind how opposite end of the spectrum the treatment for these guys is. Allen is also two years older than Mcilrath. He's already 24 that's make it or break it time like Kristo.

Morphinity
09-30-2014, 08:28 PM
This isn't meant to mock?
It's what I was getting at. He was clarifying it for him. And again, I was kidding around. (American)Jesus.

And nowhere does it claim superior analysis of youth talent.

So Nashty
09-30-2014, 08:28 PM
did allen just try to skate backwards to catch up with a guy who was already behind him? lmao

SaveByRichter35
09-30-2014, 08:30 PM
This isn't meant to mock?

No it was meant to show that I understood a joke that went sailing over your head.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:31 PM
He's big physical is a good skater for his size can defend his teammates very well.

Okay. I don't see how any of that means he deserves no criticism then, but Allen does. Given your argument, you provided one thing he has on Allen that Allen has no control of. Also McIlrath go in trouble for his physicality on Friday.

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 08:32 PM
http://c0.thejournal.ie/media/2013/03/relax.png

All ya'll.

Crack open a beer.

Ba Ba Bluey
09-30-2014, 08:33 PM
It may be preseason, but this GDT is in mid-season form.

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G1000
09-30-2014, 08:34 PM
Guys, it's game 4 of the preseason and we have like 4 regulars in this lineup against the Flyers A team.

Relax.

DiJock94
09-30-2014, 08:34 PM
Okay. I don't see how any of that means he deserves no criticism then, but Allen does. Given your argument, you provided one thing he has on Allen that Allen has no control of. Also McIlrath go in trouble for his physicality on Friday.

My point was all reaction to Mcilrath is negative as opposed to Allen who everyone treats the glass as half full. I never said Mcilrath was better or anything like that, that wasn't my point.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:36 PM
I don't hate Allen either it just blows my mind how opposite end of the spectrum the treatment for these guys is. Allen is also two years older than Mcilrath. He's already 24 that's make it or break it time like Kristo.

It doesn't. Kristo is a potential UFA after this season, Allen isn't. Defensemen are also given more time to develop and Allen has only had a year or professional play. In that professional year, he's jumped to the top of the AHL defensive depth chart. There's a reason he was called up last season. McIlrath has two professional seasons and is supposed to be better than he is. People are going to get on McIlrath's case because of his draft position, his poor development and poor play. Allen has been in the system one season and hasn't done any wrong in that time. No one is saying Allen can't be criticized, but there are reasons he's being criticized more than McIlrath.

JOHN
09-30-2014, 08:36 PM
Guys, it's game 4 of the preseason and we have like 4 regulars in this lineup against the Flyers A team.

Relax.

Seriously. This is the "Haggarty/Duclair show me you're consistent" game and outside of that, it really doesn't matter.

AmericanJesus
09-30-2014, 08:37 PM
No it was meant to show that I understood a joke that went sailing over your head.

I got the joke. It was sarcasm to poke fun at folks who were impressed with Duclair. It's borderline trolling.

Stop with the "guy" and "over your head" stuff. Infact, stop trying to be an internet tough guy in general.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:38 PM
My point was all reaction to Mcilrath is negative as opposed to Allen who everyone treats the glass as half full. I never said Mcilrath was better or anything like that, that wasn't my point.

But you think the treatment for them should be the same and it shouldn't. Just because they're both competing for the same spot doesn't mean you can compare the two. McIlrath gets more criticism because in general his play has been poorer. Allen has the better track record and if you watch him closely, he's been very good. Just because you don't hear Allen's name constantly doesn't mean he isn't defensively sound. People only comment on him when he turns the puck over and act as if it happens frequently.

DiJock94
09-30-2014, 08:39 PM
It doesn't. Kristo is a potential UFA after this season, Allen isn't. Defensemen are also given more time to develop and Allen has only had a year or professional play. In that professional year, he's jumped to the top of the AHL defensive depth chart. There's a reason he was called up last season. McIlrath has two professional seasons and is supposed to be better than he is. People are going to get on McIlrath's case because of his draft position, his poor development and poor play. Allen has been in the system one season and hasn't done any wrong in that time. No one is saying Allen can't be criticized, but there are reasons he's being criticized more than McIlrath.

Ok Allen is 24 and McIlrath is 22. I wonder where Mcilrath will be two years from now.

JOHN
09-30-2014, 08:39 PM
Conor Allen is a much better skater, is able to play both ends of the ice and wasn't taken with the 10th overall pick. In fact, he was an un-drafted free agent signing. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to hot pockets.

G1000
09-30-2014, 08:40 PM
Seriously. This is the "Haggarty/Duclair show me you're consistent" game and outside of that, it really doesn't matter.

This game is basically being played by Moore, Moore, Hags, Haggs, Hayes, Duke, Klein, Allen and cuts - and frankly, Haggs, Hayes, Duke and Allen could all end up back in the minors anyway.

We're playing against the FULL STRENGTH FLYERS.

Do you expect to win when we've got our third line roster competition taking place?

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:40 PM
Ok Allen is 24 and McIlrath is 22. I wonder where Mcilrath will be two years from now.

They had two different paths to the NHL. Allen was in college until he was 22, McIlrath wasn't. Allen was a college FA, McIlrath was a top 10 pick given every opportunity to succeed since he was 18. I don't care how old they are.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:41 PM
Conor Allen is a much better skater, is able to play both ends of the ice and wasn't taken with the 10th overall pick. In fact, he was an un-drafted free agent signing. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to hot pockets.

Exactly.

G1000
09-30-2014, 08:42 PM
They had two different paths to the NHL. Allen was in college until he was 22, McIlrath wasn't. Allen was a college FA, McIlrath was a top 10 pick given every opportunity to succeed since he was 18. I don't care how old they are.

In similar fashion, I don't really care where they came from. I just want the better guy on my team.

You know what's deserving of actual criticism? Mike Kostka might "beat out" both of them. What's the bigger travesty?

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:44 PM
In similar fashion, I don't really care where they came from. I just want the better guy on my team.

You know what's deserving of actual criticism? Mike Kostka might "beat out" both of them. What's the bigger travesty?

I actually think Hunwick has got him beat there.

Captain Clutch
09-30-2014, 08:47 PM
Hayes looks alright, just needs some AHL time. No problem with that. This is probably the last pre season game we'll see a lot of these kid rosters, which is a good thing.

G1000
09-30-2014, 08:48 PM
I actually think Hunwick has got him beat there.

Equally brutal. Neither of them should be usurped by a guy that couldn't crack the Avs star-studded (sarcasm) D core.

AmericanJesus
09-30-2014, 08:49 PM
Hayes looks alright, just needs some AHL time. No problem with that. This is probably the last pre season game we'll see a lot of these kid rosters, which is a good thing.

Think the plan is down to 30 tomorrow.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:51 PM
Equally brutal. Neither of them should be usurped by a guy that couldn't crack the Avs star-studded (sarcasm) D core.

Just saying he looks better than Kostka. All depends on how Vigneault feels about sitting McIlrath or Allen. I don't know if I'd call it being beaten. Only way they crack is if Vigneault and organization are comfortable with a kid sitting or if they can beat out Moore.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:52 PM
I <3 the Duke.

JOHN
09-30-2014, 08:52 PM
Tony D!

G1000
09-30-2014, 08:52 PM
Duke!

Seriously, you want this kid in the MINORS? Position, shot, speed, skill.

DUCLAIRBOWL GET HYPE

AmericanJesus
09-30-2014, 08:53 PM
So good.

NYRangers92
09-30-2014, 08:54 PM
Theres no way he gets cut tomorrow right

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:54 PM
I'm on the hype train now. First game had me intrigued, but goals in 3 straight games? Give me more Duke.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 08:58 PM
Was worried Duclair was going to get called there. He's got to work on not diving to knock away the puck.

jsm7302
09-30-2014, 08:59 PM
Duclair and Haggerty have made more than a helluva showing at this camp. Wish both could make the team in an impacting role. At the end of the day, I say Duclair gets the nod forhis 9 games and if he keeps up this pre season pace, well we have ourselves a special player.

Myusername
09-30-2014, 08:59 PM
I'm on the hype train now. First game had me intrigued, but goals in 3 straight games? Give me more Duke.

5 points in 3 games. Could have had 6 if Klein wasn't a cone

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 09:00 PM
Duclair and Haggerty have made more than a helluva showing at this camp. Wish both could make the team in an impacting role. At the end of the day, I say Duclair gets the nod forhis 9 games and if he keeps up this pre season pace, well we have ourselves a special player.

Haggerty was good last night. I haven't thought much of him outside of yesterday.

Morphinity
09-30-2014, 09:00 PM
Has Duclair scored with 3 different sets of linemates too?

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 09:01 PM
Has Duclair scored with 3 different sets of linemates too?

Yeah. Scores with anyone.

DiJock94
09-30-2014, 09:03 PM
That pass by Moore was unbelievable. Klein also should have scored on that 2 on 1 with tony d earlier

Myusername
09-30-2014, 09:04 PM
Haggerty was good last night. I haven't thought much of him outside of yesterday.

He's not really a noticeable player until he puts the puck in the net.

DiJock94
09-30-2014, 09:04 PM
That would've made 6 pts for him

Myusername
09-30-2014, 09:07 PM
Haha. Come on, win Rangers

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 09:09 PM
His pocket computer, Sam? God, you are fucking ancient.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 09:10 PM
It's so nice to know that guys like Hunwick and Moore probably won't be seeing time on the powerplay ever again.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 09:11 PM
Kristo can't score for shit. It's just sad to see him sucking at the one thing he's supposed to be good at.

Captain Clutch
09-30-2014, 09:11 PM
His pocket computer, Sam? God, you are fucking ancient.

His calculatron

Myusername
09-30-2014, 09:14 PM
This guy bros

Vodka Drunkenski
09-30-2014, 09:14 PM
If Sam ever retires, they have to bring in Kenny Albert without question

JOHN
09-30-2014, 09:14 PM
Kid is so solid with the puck. Love it.

leetchy2
09-30-2014, 09:14 PM
Duclair has to make this team ... and not on the 4th line either. I think he's the real deal.

Respecttheblue
09-30-2014, 09:14 PM
Blooming heck! Duclair ...niiice

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 09:14 PM
He's not really a noticeable player until he puts the puck in the net.

But not in a good way.

Lt. Dan
09-30-2014, 09:14 PM
PPPPSSSSHH

Small sample size or not, Duclair plays better than some of our older players. I'd keep him. Toss Kostka or Kristo for a pick.

Myusername
09-30-2014, 09:15 PM
That's the biggest bunch of scrubs I've ever seen on a PP

Respecttheblue
09-30-2014, 09:15 PM
Some good play by Hrivik too

leetchy2
09-30-2014, 09:16 PM
Really would like to see Bodie get some power play time, but guess it's not to be.

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 09:16 PM
PPPPSSSSHH

Small sample size or not, Duclair plays better than some of our older players. I'd keep him. Toss Kostka or Kristo for a pick.

That's not really the issue — the issue is where he plays, and what happens when Stepan returns?

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 09:17 PM
That's not really the issue — the issue is where he plays, and what happens when Stepan returns?

We're not shifting anyone from wing to center so I can't see why Stepan returning affects him.

DiJock94
09-30-2014, 09:17 PM
Bodie looks like a small player

Myusername
09-30-2014, 09:17 PM
Kreider got time with the big guns almost immediately under A.V. Duclair will have the same opportunity

Respecttheblue
09-30-2014, 09:18 PM
Thanks gain for the food*, Phil.

Gotta clean my laptop screen" too much scuzz accumulated —that looks like little pucks — since the SCF's.

*=kode

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 09:19 PM
We're not shifting anyone from wing to center so I can't see why Stepan returning affects him.

Well, where does he play, is what I'm saying? Who is he bumping out — Malone?

leetchy2
09-30-2014, 09:20 PM
PPPPSSSSHH

Small sample size or not, Duclair plays better than some of our older players. I'd keep him. Toss Kostka or Kristo for a pick.

The Duke "gets it" ... that hard to describe intangible where the puck always finds his stick and he knows what to do with it once it's there.

jsm7302
09-30-2014, 09:20 PM
9 games should give Stepan time to return or close to it anyways. So keep Duclair for his 9 and see what hes got in the regular season. If he falls off then send him back to Juniors after 9 games and bring up whomever for the remainder of Steps absence.

Myusername
09-30-2014, 09:20 PM
Well, where does he play, is what I'm saying? Who is he bumping out — Malone?

Someone. They can always be reinserted if need be

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 09:21 PM
Well, where does he play, is what I'm saying? Who is he bumping out — Malone?

Depends on who your fourth line wings are. I guess if you have Malone and Glass on Moore's wings.

Something like

Kreider - Brassard - Zuccarello
Duclair - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - Miller - St. Louis
Malone - Moore - Glass
Extra

Captain Clutch
09-30-2014, 09:21 PM
Stempniak is really not impressive at all

Myusername
09-30-2014, 09:21 PM
So glad Philly has to deal with MDZ's issues now

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 09:22 PM
Teeny Tiny Bourque makes me sad. He's like the little engine that could, but he can't.

AmericanJesus
09-30-2014, 09:22 PM
Well, where does he play, is what I'm saying? Who is he bumping out &mdash; Malone?

Duclair - Stepan - Nash
Kreider - Brassard - MZA
Hagelin - Miller - MSL
Glass - Moore - Malone/Fast/Etc

Who am I missing?

Morphinity
09-30-2014, 09:22 PM
The Duke "gets it" ... that hard to describe intangible where the puck always finds his stick and he knows what to do with it once it's there.

Oh, I can describe it... "Goals" :)

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 09:23 PM
Depends on who your fourth line wings are. I guess if you have Malone and Glass on Moore's wings.

Something like

Kreider - Brassard - Zuccarello
Duclair - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - Miller - St. Louis
Malone - Moore - Glass
Extra

And someone like Lindberg up to start the year as the extra center?

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 09:23 PM
Duclair - Stepan - Nash
Kreider - Brassard - MZA
Hagelin - Miller - MSL
Glass - Moore - Malone/Fast/Etc

Who am I missing?

Stempniak, I guess, but he's done fuck all. Neither has Lombardi (though he's been hurt, granted).

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 09:24 PM
And someone like Lindberg up to start the year as the extra center?

Pretty much. Probably have Lindberg center Hagelin and St. Louis, Miller slots up with Duclair and Nash.

AmericanJesus
09-30-2014, 09:25 PM
Considering they are playing almost the real Flyers team, the kids showed up pretty well.

Morphinity
09-30-2014, 09:25 PM
Teeny Tiny Bourque makes me sad. He's like the little engine that could, but he can't.

If he was a little bit bigger, he could be a Callahan-type, heart-and-soul role player.

AmericanJesus
09-30-2014, 09:25 PM
Stempniak, I guess, but he's done fuck all. Neither has Lombardi (though he's been hurt, granted).

Right and keeping a vet as a 13th for depth isn't a bad idea.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 09:26 PM
If he was a little bit bigger, he could be like Callahan.

If only.

Respecttheblue
09-30-2014, 09:26 PM
a wee bit over-zealous

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 09:27 PM
Bodie has some skill, but he definitely needs time in the A.

Morphinity
09-30-2014, 09:27 PM
Oh man, Moore was almost off on a break.

Morphinity
09-30-2014, 09:27 PM
Bodie has some skill, but he definitely needs time in the A.

And in the gym.

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 09:27 PM
No call on Simmonds for slashing there?

Respecttheblue
09-30-2014, 09:28 PM
Gret timing for a web banner

Myusername
09-30-2014, 09:28 PM
I'd keep Duclair, Fast and Miller. Hayes, Haggerty, and Lindberg could use some seasoning

Respecttheblue
09-30-2014, 09:28 PM
Gret timing for a web banner

I didn't have to see the goal against.

Captain Clutch
09-30-2014, 09:28 PM
Rangers pulling of the goalie never seems to happen at the right time.

leetchy2
09-30-2014, 09:29 PM
A moral victory for the kids considering the imbalance in the roster.

AmericanJesus
09-30-2014, 09:29 PM
I'd keep Duclair, Fast and Miller. Hayes, Haggerty, and Lindberg could use some seasoning

We need another center with Stepan out. I'd imagine Hayes and Lindberg get another game each.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 09:29 PM
I'd keep Duclair, Fast and Miller. Hayes, Haggerty, and Lindberg could use some seasoning

I agree except for Lindberg. He'll stay up. Plays too quiet and solid of a game not to stay. They could his penalty killing with Stepan out. Also I think Hrivik will survive this cut.

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 09:30 PM
Pretty much. Probably have Lindberg center Hagelin and St. Louis, Miller slots up with Duclair and Nash.

Even Mueller might make for a decent spare and temporary bottom-6 plug.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 09:31 PM
Even Mueller might make for a decent spare and temporary bottom-6 plug.

Maybe. He's looked alright, much better than Lombardi and Stempniak. I just think Lindberg has an edge given all of his preseason PKing time and his faceoff ability.

So Nashty
09-30-2014, 09:32 PM
Maybe. He's looked alright, much better than Lombardi and Stempniak. I just think Lindberg has an edge given all of his preseason PKing time and his faceoff ability.

yea I was just going to say that there is no reason why any of the vets should be in over the kids. Malone, lombardi, and stempniak should all be AHL/trade bound.

Drew a Penalty
09-30-2014, 09:36 PM
yea I was just going to say that there is no reason why any of the vets should be in over the kids. Malone, lombardi, and stempniak should all be AHL/trade bound.

Malone looked good in his only appearance. Can't make a call after one game. Stempniak and Lombardi haven't shown much of anything though.

Captain Clutch
09-30-2014, 09:37 PM
Stempniak and Lombardi just look too slow out there.

Myusername
09-30-2014, 09:39 PM
yea I was just going to say that there is no reason why any of the vets should be in over the kids. Malone, lombardi, and stempniak should all be AHL/trade bound.

The only reason I can think of is that those guys are at least relatively proven

Phil in Absentia
09-30-2014, 09:40 PM
yea I was just going to say that there is no reason why any of the vets should be in over the kids. Malone, lombardi, and stempniak should all be AHL/trade bound.

Malone I'd keep. Stempniak and Lombardi haven't shown much, though Lombardi only got one game too, due to injury.

DiJock94
09-30-2014, 09:49 PM
yea I was just going to say that there is no reason why any of the vets should be in over the kids. Malone, lombardi, and stempniak should all be AHL/trade bound.

I agree with you.

JOHN
09-30-2014, 09:55 PM
Malone didn't look bad, but he's of no concern to me. I don't think losing him would negatively effect us in any meaningful way. His game especially is counter intuitive to AV's idea of north south play.

DiJock94
09-30-2014, 09:58 PM
Some of these kids should get a shot. I would like to see Duclair miller and fast start the year

SaveByRichter35
09-30-2014, 10:06 PM
I got the joke. It was sarcasm to poke fun at folks who were impressed with Duclair. It's borderline trolling.

Stop with the "guy" and "over your head" stuff. Infact, stop trying to be an internet tough guy in general.

Trolling? Stop being butthurt because you missed Morph's joke...which wasn't even directed at you to begin with. Are you that defensive in this situation that you can't just let it go? Did you not see my post saying how I am just as guilty as everyone else when it came to praising Duclair and Hayes?

Let me break it all down again for you since didn't understand the first time(is that better than over your head?)...

-Someone mentioned something about tonight's lineup being thin.
-Morphinity said "But Duclair is playing" or something to that matter.(This is the joke that I got and I guess you missed)
-Someone else did not understand what Morph meant by his comment.
-I said something along the lines of "Duclair is like the next coming of Wayne Gretzky, is what I think he(meaning Morph) meant.
-Morph basically said I hit the nail on the head...
-You became all butthurt and defensive
-And now we've been going back and forth for no reason because you can't just let it go.

There's plenty of jokes that flew over my head through out my life. I didn't get all upset and defensive. I didn't accuse people of trolling me because I didn't understand something. I also didn't accuse people of being an internet tough guy[(????) I don't even get this one dude, seriously?]

AmericanJesus
09-30-2014, 10:18 PM
Trolling? Stop being butthurt because you missed Morph's joke...which wasn't even directed at you to begin with. Are you that defensive in this situation that you can't just let it go? Did you not see my post saying how I am just as guilty as everyone else when it came to praising Duclair and Hayes?

Let me break it all down again for you since didn't understand the first time(is that better than over your head?)...

-Someone mentioned something about tonight's lineup being thin.
-Morphinity said "But Duclair is playing" or something to that matter.(This is the joke that I got and I guess you missed)
-Someone else did not understand what Morph meant by his comment.
-I said something along the lines of "Duclair is like the next coming of Wayne Gretzky, is what I think he(meaning Morph) meant.
-Morph basically said I hit the nail on the head...
-You became all butthurt and defensive
-And now we've been going back and forth for no reason because you can't just let it go.

There's plenty of jokes that flew over my head through out my life. I didn't get all upset and defensive. I didn't accuse people of trolling me because I didn't understand something. I also didn't accuse people of being an internet tough guy[(????) I don't even get this one dude, seriously?]

You aren't a mod on this forum tasked with keeping the discussion on topic and not on shots at other members. We expect users to be respectful here. You aren't being so with me. This is now a warning. Stop with the "butt hurt" stuff. Stop calling people "dude". I'm not upset or defensive. I'm informing you that your conduct here is inappropriate. Please review the forum rules.

phillyb™
09-30-2014, 10:42 PM
left the bar with 11 minutes to go in the third.
rest the starters, alright. alright.
i would have liked to have seen mcilrath tonight; i hope he gets some more time in the preseason.

torontonyr
10-01-2014, 12:20 AM
Stempniak and Lombardi just look too slow out there.

I've said it from the start that Lombardi is trash. On the other hand, I do think Stempniak is a decent player - as an offensive replacement on the top three lines. On the fourth line, he's absolutely useless to us as he brings 0 of the tools needed for that job.

Future
10-01-2014, 12:43 AM
yea I was just going to say that there is no reason why any of the vets should be in over the kids. Malone, lombardi, and stempniak should all be AHL/trade bound.
I would agree, except that I'd like to keep Malone as the 13th forward. This is going to be a finesse team, which worked last year, but you never know when you're going to need a big body who can get some dirty goals in front of the net. They don't really have that without him in there unless Kreider fills that role.

Pete
10-01-2014, 06:51 AM
I would agree, except that I'd like to keep Malone as the 13th forward. This is going to be a finesse team, which worked last year, but you never know when you're going to need a big body who can get some dirty goals in front of the net. They don't really have that without him in there unless Kreider fills that role.

Isn't that what Hayes and Haggerty are for?

FleshistheFever
10-01-2014, 09:24 AM
Isn't that what Hayes and Haggerty are for?

They both definitely need some time with the Pack. Malone would, for sure, be a much better option off the bat.

Slobberknocker
10-01-2014, 09:50 AM
anyone get a sense watching these games as to who is our defensive zone face off man late in games?

Future
10-01-2014, 09:51 AM
Isn't that what Hayes and Haggerty are for?
Yea but it doesn't do any good to have them be the 13th forward and play 20 games a year.

Depending on what weight he came in at, Malone is also 15-20 lbs heavier than both of those guys. And, not for nothing, while Hayes is big, I don't think he's really that kind of player. He's a skill guy. He'll be more like Nik Antropov than, say, Ryan Clowe.

JOHN
10-01-2014, 09:52 AM
They both definitely need some time with the Pack. Malone would, for sure, be a much better option off the bat.

Hayes does, but I think you can live with Haggerty.

He isn't as much of a net front presence type of guy though, from what I've seen. He excels more in up-tempo, transition type plays. His shot is also very good, which makes it hard to force him to the front.

Pete
10-01-2014, 09:59 AM
anyone get a sense watching these games as to who is our defensive zone face off man late in games?

Moore.

Future
10-01-2014, 10:14 AM
Moore.
Kind of an easy one...

...depending on who makes the roster, the other option will probably be Stepan, despite the fact that faceoffs aren't exactly his strenght.

Phil in Absentia
10-01-2014, 10:21 AM
Isn't that what Hayes and Haggerty are for?

I dunno -- Hayes, maybe, but Haggerty seems more straight forward. Neither look like the kind of player Malone has been, and while its of lesser concern, can either fight? Malone sure can, which could be of more use in games where that presence might be needed. Right now the only regular who can offer that is Glass.

Myusername
10-01-2014, 10:54 AM
I'd go with Malone to start the season since he's allegedly hungry and has been really useful around the net in the past. Not expecting much out of him this season though, so betting we see Haggerty at some point anyway

Pete
10-01-2014, 11:13 AM
I dunno -- Hayes, maybe, but Haggerty seems more straight forward. Neither look like the kind of player Malone has been, and while its of lesser concern, can either fight? Malone sure can, which could be of more use in games where that presence might be needed. Right now the only regular who can offer that is Glass.

This is of no importance to the coach.

Phil in Absentia
10-01-2014, 12:16 PM
This is of no importance to the coach.

I doubt that very much. It's probably of less importance as other areas of their game, but I don't think we can definitely state it's of no importance without it coming directly from the horses mouth.

One of the talking points to the Malone and Glass signings to begin with was their "willingness" to fight.

JOHN
10-01-2014, 12:18 PM
I doubt that very much. It's probably of less importance as other areas of their game, but I don't think we can definitely state it's of no importance without it coming directly from the horses mouth.

One of the talking points to the Malone and Glass signings to begin with was their "willingness" to fight.

My sense that was more coming from Sather than AV.

Pete
10-01-2014, 12:21 PM
I doubt that very much. It's probably of less importance as other areas of their game, but I don't think we can definitely state it's of no importance without it coming directly from the horses mouth.

One of the talking points to the Malone and Glass signings to begin with was their "willingness" to fight.

They were your talking points, and it was Malone's talking points. It wasn't AV's talking point. He said it last year, so it is from the horse's mouth.


He went on, and became more frustrated, as he cited an example of another NHL team that possesses the “compete level” that Vigneault’s Rangers have lacked so far in his first season as their coach after seven years with the Vancouver Canucks.

“I look at the Detroit Red Wings, who I know well because I coached against them the last seven years,” Vigneault continued. “They have no toughness, per se, as far as that type of personnel in their lineup, at no point – other than maybe (Jordin) Tootoo the last couple years, but he’s gone now. But those guys play hard. They have the puck, and they say, ‘Try and get it from me.’ Or they don’t have it and they battle like hell to get it back. They compete.”

Finally, still in the same breath, Vigneault concluded in a huff:

“That’s the team toughness that I’m hoping we would get here. Maybe we’ll get there by changing some personnel and adding some more toughness. We’re at .500. I’m trying.”http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/rangers/alain-vigneault-defensive-explaining-tinkering-lineup-mediocre-ny-rangers-entering-game-predators-blog-entry-1.1636454

Phil in Absentia
10-01-2014, 12:25 PM
My sense that was more coming from Sather than AV.

Well, sure, but I still don't think can write it off completely. You can say AV doesn't use enforcers, and you'd be right, but he clearly still dresses fighters, as the Rangers had 25 fighting majors last season (which is actually up from the season prior, which had 18). Last season was lead by Dorsett with 10.

He doesn't often stock the team with multiple fighters, but there's always at least one. Even if that's Glass this year, part of the reason he's here is that. They didn't sign him simply because he killed penalties with PIT. If they wanted only a penalty-killer who didn't fight, they had a whole lot of options to choose from, but chose Glass.

Vodka Drunkenski
10-01-2014, 12:25 PM
Fighting is a dying breed IMO

Phil in Absentia
10-01-2014, 12:27 PM
They were your talking points, and it was Malone's talking points. It wasn't AV's talking point. He said it last year, so it is from the horse's mouth.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/rangers/alain-vigneault-defensive-explaining-tinkering-lineup-mediocre-ny-rangers-entering-game-predators-blog-entry-1.1636454

I'm not denying that he doesn't utilize fighting in the same way other coaches do/did. Tortorella's 11-12 team, for example, dominated the league in fighting majors, and he routinely utilized truculent players. AV isn't the same style coach, so he won't rely on that nearly enough, but that's still not evidence of disarmament, which is evidenced by the fact that Glass is still on this roster, and is still going to remain a regular player.

Phil in Absentia
10-01-2014, 12:27 PM
Fighting is a dying breed IMO

No one is denying this either.

Vodka Drunkenski
10-01-2014, 12:28 PM
No one is denying this either.

I wasn't saying they were, just stating my opinion on fighting.

Pete
10-01-2014, 12:31 PM
I'm not denying that he doesn't utilize fighting in the same way other coaches do/did. Tortorella's 11-12 team, for example, dominated the league in fighting majors, and he routinely utilized truculent players. AV isn't the same style coach, so he won't rely on that nearly enough, but that's still not evidence of disarmament, which is evidenced by the fact that Glass is still on this roster, and is still going to remain a regular player.

This is tangential.

The point is, that Malone isn't going to make the team over Hayes or Haggerty simply because he is willing to fight. If he make sit over them, it'll be because he's the superior player, and if he fights he fights.

A comment was made about keeping Malone for size. Well, we have size without Malone.

Right now, he's just an older hurt guy...I have no desire to keep a 13th forward around who doesn't really offer a lot of flexibility the way a guy like Hayes or Miller would — or Lombardi, but he's hurt, as well.

Phil in Absentia
10-01-2014, 12:32 PM
This is tangential.

The point is, that Malone isn't going to make the team over Hayes or Haggerty simply because he is willing to fight. If he make sit over them, it'll be because he's the superior player, and if he fights he fights. Right now, he's just an older hurt guy...I have no desire to keep a 13th forward around who dooesn't really offer a lot of flexibility the way a guy like Hayes or Miller would —*or Lombardi, but he's hurt, as well.

Sure, I'd agree with this.

Slobberknocker
10-01-2014, 02:34 PM
I wouldn't look at this from the perspective of how many guys we put out there that will drop the gloves and bash your brains in. i view toughness in today's NHL as guys that are going to get in the other teams grille when they take advantage of your skill players, run the goalie etc...

how many times were you itching for boyle to take that role, not fighting but just getting up in someones grille and give them the old whitewashing.