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High and Wide
09-25-2014, 07:57 PM
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PRESEASON GAME #2 — 09/26/14

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Location: United Center — Chicago, Illinois
Time: 8:30 PM
TV: MSG [HD]
Radio: Click to listen (http://rangers.nhl.com/club/RadioPlayer.htm?id=2010020279)


USEFUL LINKS:

Andrew Gross' blog (http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/) • Steve Zipay's blog (http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/blue-notes-1.811976) • Pat Leonard's Blog (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/rangers/) • New York Post (http://nypost.com/hockey/) • ESPN NY: Katie Strang (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/hockey/category/_/name/new-york-rangers)

rangers.nhl.com (http://rangers.nhl.com/) • blackhawks.nhl.com (http://devils.nhl.com/)

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Team Statistics:

GP: 0 | W: 0 | L: 0 | OTL: 0 | PTS: 0 | ROW: 0
Conference: N/A | Home Record: 0-0-0 | Away Record: 0-0-0 | S/O: 0-0
Last Ten: 0-0-0 | Streak: N/A

Goals Per Game: N/A
Goals Against Per Game: N/A
Goal Differential: N/A
PP Efficiency: N/A
PK Efficiency: N/A
Face-Off Efficiency: N/A


Team Leaders:

Goals: N/A
Assists: N/A
Points: N/A
+/-: N/A
PIM: N/A
TOI/G (Defenseman): N/A
TOI/G (Forward): N/A


Starting Lineup:^

Anthony Duclair / Derrick Brassard / Rick "Featherweight" Nash
Chris Bourque / J.T. Miller / Mats Zuccarello
Nick Tarnasky / Dominic Moore / Adam Haggerty
Marek Hrivik / Oscar Lindberg / Lee Stempniak

Ryan McDonagh / Dylan McIlrath
John Moore / Dan Girardi
Conor Allen / Kevin Klein

^ Subject to change


Starting Goaltender:

Henrik Lundqvist

GP: 0 | W: 0 | L: 0 | OT: 0
GA: N/A | SV%: N/A | GAA: N/A | SO: 0


Healthy Scratches:

TBD


Injuries, Suspensions, Misc:

[F] Derek Stepan — Fractured left fibula; Out 4-6 weeks

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Team Statistics:

GP: 0 | W: 0 | L: 0 | OTL: 0 | PTS: 0 | ROW: 0
Conference: N/A | Home Record: 0-0-0 | Away Record: 0-0-0 | S/O: 0-0
Last Ten: 0-0-0 | Streak: N/A

Goals Per Game: N/A
Goals Against Per Game: N/A
Goal Differential: N/A
PP Efficiency: N/A
PK Efficiency: N/A
Face-Off Efficiency: N/A

Team Leaders:

Goals: N/A
Assists: N/A
Points: N/A
+/-: N/A
PIM: N/A
TOI/G (Defenseman): N/A
TOI/G (Forward): N/A


Starting Lineup:^

Patrick Sharp / Jonathan Toews / Marian Hossa
Brandon Saad / Brad Richards / Patrick Kane
Matt Carey / Dennis Rasmussen / Jeremy Morin
Pierre-Cedric Labrie / Phillip Danault / Cody Bass

Duncan Keith / Brent Seabrook
Niklas Hjalmarsson / Klas Dahlbeck
Cam Barker / Stephen Johns

^ Subject to change


Starting Goaltender:

Corey Crawford

GP: 0 | W: 0 | L: 0 | OT: 0
GA: N/A | SV%: N/A | GAA: N/A | SO: 0


Healthy Scratches:

TBD


Injuries, Suspensions, Misc:

N/A

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[I]QUOTE TO NOTE:


“Talking to guys like Kreider, it’s a great opportunity with the guys they have here. I really like the style
coach (Alain Vigneault) plays. So, I figured this would be the best opportunity for me.”

— [F] Kevin Hayes on joining the Rangers.


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Gorilla Salad
09-25-2014, 08:03 PM
These GD Threads are popping up earlier and earlier. :D I'm surprised there's not an opening night one already! :rofl:

Phil in Absentia
09-25-2014, 08:22 PM
These GD Threads are popping up earlier and earlier. :D I'm surprised there's not an opening night one already! :rofl:

They're almost always produced the night before.

phillyb™
09-25-2014, 08:31 PM
in preparation for a whole day of speculation

Gorilla Salad
09-25-2014, 08:37 PM
They're almost always produced the night before.

Oh shit, I thought today was Wednesday! My bad! LETS GO RANGERS!

High and Wide
09-26-2014, 03:54 PM
:tweet: @TramyersCSN 3h

#Blackhawks lines as I see 'em: 10-19-81, 20-91-88, 25-70-11, 22-24-36.

:tweet: @TramyersCSN 2h

D-men out here: Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Dahlbeck, Barker, Johns. #Blackhawks

:tweet: @TramyersCSN 1h

Corey Crawford likely to play the entire game tonight vs. NYR. #Blackhawks

Captain Clutch
09-26-2014, 03:55 PM
Playing the full Hawks team, eh?

phillyb™
09-26-2014, 03:56 PM
fuck yes HOCKEY!

rvbcaboose
09-26-2014, 03:58 PM
I missed the last game, so seeing some new Rangers hockey will be a nice change of pace.

LGR!

High and Wide
09-26-2014, 04:11 PM
Playing the full Hawks team, eh?

Seems like it, right? This is their third game, so I guess the star-power makes sense.

CreaseCrusader91
09-26-2014, 06:28 PM
Richards is going to score, ex Rangers always get us.

Stepan it
09-26-2014, 06:39 PM
Richards is going to score, ex Rangers always get us.
Nah he'll have good chances but will go wide of the net

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 08:09 PM
in preparation for a whole day of speculation

and ruminating

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I missed the last game, so seeing some new Rangers hockey will be a nice change of pace.

LGR!

you know it

lefty9
09-26-2014, 08:26 PM
Nice, alot of new players in the lineup tonight for the rangers

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 08:35 PM
I'm pretty hyped to see Duclair in a Ranger jersey.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 08:40 PM
LINDBERG!!!!!

High and Wide
09-26-2014, 08:41 PM
Well that was quick!

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 08:43 PM
Nick Tar-nasty!

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 08:43 PM
Get rekt Bass.

Morphinity
09-26-2014, 08:43 PM
Alright, Rick the Dick. Let's see what you got.

High and Wide
09-26-2014, 08:44 PM
Solid bid for the fourth line enforcer job, eh?

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 08:46 PM
Solid bid for the fourth line enforcer job, eh?

Over Glass? Nah.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 08:46 PM
Zucc is all over. I'm loving it.

Morphinity
09-26-2014, 08:47 PM
Wow, who did that flyby on Klein? Cut.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 08:49 PM
Wow, who did that flyby on Klein? Cut.

I still have visions of him not covering Martinez. Fuck that dude. I'd cut him.

Morphinity
09-26-2014, 08:52 PM
I still have visions of him not covering Martinez. Fuck that dude. I'd cut him.

http://media.giphy.com/media/rBYc4tkIeLCNy/giphy.gif

Morphinity
09-26-2014, 08:53 PM
People, please don't post stream links.

You can PM them to people who ask, but you can't post them.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 08:54 PM
http://media.giphy.com/media/rBYc4tkIeLCNy/giphy.gif

100%. Why cut to the left when two teammates are already there? Screw him and his awesome facial hair.

Bigmoe
09-26-2014, 08:56 PM
Sam and Joe giving Brad the love . Oh well.....

Morphinity
09-26-2014, 08:56 PM
100%. Why cut to the left when two teammates are already there? Screw him and his awesome facial hair.

Eh, can't really hate on Optimus Klein. Rangers had too many chances to win that game and all the games.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 08:57 PM
Sam and Joe giving Brad the love . Oh well.....

Why shouldn't they? He was just old. Only thing "wrong" with him as a Ranger. Similar to Drury.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 08:58 PM
Eh, can't really hate on Optimus Klein. Rangers had too many chances to win that game and all the games.

Sure, but I just can't rationalize it. He's my scapegoat, my punching bag, my new Richards.

leetchy2
09-26-2014, 08:58 PM
People, please don't post stream links.

You can PM them to people who ask, but you can't post them.

Sorry Morph.

Myusername
09-26-2014, 09:00 PM
Lindberg looks like he could make a solid 3rd/4th liner

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:01 PM
Duclair! Atta boy, kid!

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:01 PM
DUKE!!!!!!!!!

High and Wide
09-26-2014, 09:01 PM
Duclair!!!

rvbcaboose
09-26-2014, 09:01 PM
DUCCCC

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:01 PM
Man, what a fuckin' sweet pass from Nash. Holy sauce!

Myusername
09-26-2014, 09:02 PM
Whoooooo the Duke

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:02 PM
Please be consistent Nash.

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 09:02 PM
Dadgum sweetness

leetchy2
09-26-2014, 09:03 PM
Really really sweet saucer pass from Nash. Great job Duclair driving to the net. Also a nice cross-ice pass to spring Nash, not sure who made that though.

Myusername
09-26-2014, 09:03 PM
Hope he impresses enough to get the 9 games at least

Morphinity
09-26-2014, 09:03 PM
Wow, what a dish from Nash.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:04 PM
Wow, what a dish from Nash.

*bowl

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:04 PM
Oh, Zucc — shoot that next time, son. That's Tarnasky on the other side of the ice. :rofl:

Myusername
09-26-2014, 09:05 PM
Gotta shoot that shit Zucc

Morphinity
09-26-2014, 09:05 PM
He already matched his assist total from last year.

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 09:07 PM
Good thing we have some youth in the lineup providing offense -- wonder what we'll do for goals when they get sent back to the QMJHL, AHL, etc? ;)

Myusername
09-26-2014, 09:07 PM
I could be wrong, but from what I've seen so far of Duclair I think he'll bored in juniors this season.

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 09:08 PM
Oh, Zucc — shoot that next time, son. That's Tarnasky on the other side of the ice. :rofl:

Zucc was trying to help Tarnasky salvage his reputation from being labeled as a one dimensional player ... guess it backfired.

Lt. Dan
09-26-2014, 09:08 PM
Just getting in.. How's McIlrath and Allen looking?

Morphinity
09-26-2014, 09:08 PM
Idk, Rick doesn't look that much faster :rofl:

Bigmoe
09-26-2014, 09:08 PM
Why shouldn't they? He was just old. Only thing "wrong" with him as a Ranger. Similar to Drury.

I was never one that ragged on Richards. My oh well was meaning he's now on the Chi and not with us anymore . I guess they think the " old man" can still play. Always wanted him to come thru for us. Oh well....

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 09:09 PM
Nice block WrathofMac

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:10 PM
Idk, Rick doesn't look that much faster :rofl:

Maybe he's faster mentally.

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 09:10 PM
I was never one that ragged on Richards. My oh well was meaning he's now on the Chi and not with us anymore . I guess they think the " old man" can still play. Always wanted him to come thru for us. Oh well....

Yep. Same here, pity it didn't work out.

He's not that old either; just plays like it sometimes. Oops.

torontonyr
09-26-2014, 09:10 PM
John Moore looks beyond terrible.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:11 PM
Just getting in.. How's McIlrath and Allen looking?

Nothing out of the ordinary yet.

Lt. Dan
09-26-2014, 09:16 PM
Damn.. Duclairs goal was pretty nice.

DiJock94
09-26-2014, 09:17 PM
Mcilraths footwork is pretty decent

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:17 PM
Just getting in.. How's McIlrath and Allen looking?

Allen looks light years better than Moore or McI.

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 09:18 PM
Another in a shameless series of transparently name-dropping Mazda commercials ...

Mazda creativity = Bruce Lee, gimme a break!

(Nothing personal Pete)

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:18 PM
Allen looks light years better than Moore or McI.

McI actually hasn't looked too bad, but I also haven't been paying 100% attention to the game.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:19 PM
McI actually hasn't looked too bad, but I also haven't been paying 100% attention to the game.

Slow and sloppy. Like me, in college.

torontonyr
09-26-2014, 09:19 PM
McI actually hasn't looked too bad, but I also haven't been paying 100% attention to the game.

At this point in his development, I'd say that not being noticed is actually a step in the right direction for McIlrath.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:19 PM
Way to correct him, Duclair! Junior. Singular. Get it right, Gianonne! :rofl:

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:20 PM
Slow and sloppy. Like me, in college.

So how were you like on the ice?

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:20 PM
Way to correct him, Duclair! Junior. Singular. Get it right, Gianonne! :rofl:

Oh stop.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:21 PM
At this point in his development, I'd say that not being noticed is actually a step in the right direction for McIlrath.

Not really much to show. Rangers dominated possession in the offensive zone. Weren't many instances for him to show his stuff defensively and he's not offensive. I'm not a fan of his, but I also didn't see much wrong so far.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:21 PM
So how were you like on the ice?

I was about as good when I was 22 as I am now. So you decide.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:22 PM
Oh stop.

Oh, stops?

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:23 PM
I was about as good when I was 22 as I am now. So you decide.

I think you missed the joke there. Not sure. You're generally good at spinning things back at me.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:25 PM
Fuck you Girardi.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:26 PM
Fuck you Girardi.

:rofl:

Just thought the same thing.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:26 PM
They had to show Martinez? Seriously? Seriously? You know what? Fuck Klein again.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:26 PM
Just got caught up. Lindberg, Hrivik, Allen and of course Duclair look good so far. McIlrath unnoticeable, but that's mostly because the Rangers have dominated possession. Klein and J. Moore both had some issues. Wonder if Moore is slowly losing his spot.

Haggerty not in a position to be noticed on fourth line. Made one good defensive play after an icing.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:27 PM
I think you missed the joke there. Not sure. You're generally good at spinning things back at me.

Yea I`m lost.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:27 PM
Just got caught up. Lindberg, Hrivik, Allen and of course Duclair look good so far. McIlrath unnoticeable, but that's mostly because the Rangers have dominated possession. Klein and J. Moore both had some issues. Wonder if Moore is slowly losing his spot.

Haggerty not in a position to be noticed on fourth line. Made one good defensive play after an icing.

Isn't' he on the 3rd?

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:28 PM
Yea I`m lost.

I was alluding to you being slow and sloppy off the ice while in college. Shit joke.

Ranger Lothbrok
09-26-2014, 09:28 PM
I have a hard time blaming Klein for the Martinez goal when Nash had a wide open net 10 minutes earlier and had it tipped over the top of the net. And yes, I said it was tipped. But if it were actually a shot, and not some weak little flick, it still goes in. He had that much net to work with.

Morphinity
09-26-2014, 09:28 PM
God, that was painful to re-live.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:28 PM
Isn't' he on the 3rd?

Thought he was out they're with D. Moore.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:29 PM
Isn't' he on the 3rd?

4th. Hrivik - Lindberg - Stempniak saw a lot more time.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:32 PM
4th. Hrivik - Lindberg - Stempniak saw a lot more time.

I thought Stempniak/Moore/??? was 4th.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:33 PM
I thought Stempniak/Moore/??? was 4th.

Lines got shifted. Think it's Haggerty, Moore and Bourque.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:34 PM
I thought Stempniak/Moore/??? was 4th.

The reverse. Stempniak is with Lindberg and Hrivik.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:36 PM
So tired of hearing about who's in "shape".

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:38 PM
McI having a bad night.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:38 PM
Oh Tarnasky with Moore and Haggerty.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:39 PM
McI having a bad night.

That was the first time I noticed him and obviously not in a good way.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:39 PM
13 assists for Nash. Fuckin brutal.

Bigmoe
09-26-2014, 09:39 PM
Thought he was out they're with D. Moore.


4th. Hrivik - Lindberg - Stempniak saw a lot more time.


I thought Stempniak/Moore/??? was 4th.


Lines got shifted. Think it's Haggerty, Moore and Bourque.


The reverse. Stempniak is with Lindberg and Hrivik.

Is this an Abott and Costello routine? I don't know?
Third base...

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:39 PM
Allen with a poor breakout attempt.

And another. Jesus.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:40 PM
Is it me or has Allen been out every other shift?

DiJock94
09-26-2014, 09:40 PM
Allen is more poised than moore

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:42 PM
Allen is more poised than moore

Because Moore isn't good at hockey.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:42 PM
Assume Allen playing with Klein is a tryout for the 3rd pair.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:42 PM
Is it me or has Allen been out every other shift?

No I noticed it as well. He's getting a lot of time.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:44 PM
Assume Allen playing with Klein is a tryout for the 3rd pair.

I would love that, but it's also putting a vet with a rookie. Same thing with Moore with McIlrath, though adding Moore for stability and mentorship is not exactly the greatest choice.

torontonyr
09-26-2014, 09:45 PM
On a good note, I'm really, really happy with Miller's performance this pre-season so far. He's not perfect, and he has a tendency to make the occasional blunder, but it usually follows a really impressive sequence.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:45 PM
Poor Brad....Bet he wipes his tears the same way Scrooge McDuck does. :P

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:46 PM
Haven't seen Nash line in a while. Nice scrap by McI.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:46 PM
That's the only thing McI has to offer.

Pathetic.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:46 PM
Sweet scrap. McIlrath wins.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:48 PM
They really gave him a misconduct for that?

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:48 PM
Sweet scrap. McIlrath wins.

Yea, right. But the team loses. Fail.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:49 PM
Yea, right. But the team loses. Fail.

Love how anti-Wrath you are.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:50 PM
Yea, right. But the team loses. Fail.

Yes, we know. Waste of a pick. Can't do anything but fight. He sucks. Scrub. Tarasenko. Scrub. He sucks.

We get it.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:50 PM
Hank real solid so far.

Myusername
09-26-2014, 09:50 PM
I would take the play of the regulars with a grain of salt. After all the injuries already you have to think they are being careful and not giving it anything near their all

DiJock94
09-26-2014, 09:51 PM
I don't understand why Mcilrath got a game

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:51 PM
Hank real solid so far.

Asshole jinx.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:52 PM
I don't understand why Mcilrath got a game

Only thing I can think of is that he continued to fight after the linesmen tried to break up the bout the first time, and they tagged him for it.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:52 PM
I don't understand why Mcilrath got a game

10 minute misconduct I think.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:52 PM
Love how anti-Wrath you are.

If there's one thing you should know by now..anti-IDIOT.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:53 PM
I don't understand why Mcilrath got a game

Instigator?

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:53 PM
I can't remember if Desjardins was ever any good. I know he had a cup of coffee with Tampa, but I remember nothing about him.

DiJock94
09-26-2014, 09:53 PM
10 minute misconduct I think.

Lol that's funny. I know the rules I'm just confused as to why he got 10 and a game

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:54 PM
Haggerty on the 4th line shows where they see him on depth chart, no?

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:55 PM
If there's one thing you should know by now..anti-IDIOT.

https://justgngr.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/sarcasm-stupidity-allergies-someecard.png

Shame this doesn't meet the sig requirements. It's perfect for you. :)

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:56 PM
Lol that's funny. I know the rules I'm just confused as to why he got 10 and a game

I don't think it was a game. Two Five and Ten just put him out for rest of the period. He can come back like three minutes into the third I believe.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:56 PM
F-bomb! :rofl:

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:56 PM
Haggerty on the 4th line shows where they see him on depth chart, no?

Yeah, kind of strange since he's a shooter.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 09:57 PM
F-bomb! :rofl:

Did they "Fuckin Bourque"?

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:57 PM
https://justgngr.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/sarcasm-stupidity-allergies-someecard.png

Shame this doesn't meet the sig requirements. It's perfect for you. :)

Don't get pissy with me because you got suckered into the hype by the usual suspects. ;)

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 09:58 PM
Don't get pissy with me because you got suckered into the hype by the usual suspects. ;)

I didn't get suckered into hype. I just love big, mean muh fuckas. You know this.

Was't pissy either. Was serious. It's hilarious. I saw a funnier one the other day. I'll post it if I find it again.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:58 PM
Moore just keeps putting Klein in bad positions.

Pete
09-26-2014, 09:59 PM
I didn't get suckered into hype. I just love big, mean muh fuckas. You know this.

Yea, and usually they suck at hockey, like McI does to this point.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 09:59 PM
Duclair seems like the exact type of left wing we could use. Wish he was a year older.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 10:00 PM
Duclair seems like the exact type of left wing we could use. Wish he was a year older.

Why — just development-wise?

Pete
09-26-2014, 10:01 PM
Why — just development-wise?

Wouldn`t fall into the junior/NHL gap.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 10:01 PM
Why — just development-wise?

AHL eligible. We could keep him up if he deserves it with that as a cushion.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 10:02 PM
I love this Duclair-Nash combo. Just put the Duke on the team.

hamov glir
09-26-2014, 10:02 PM
C'mon Nash, bury that shit.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 10:04 PM
Wouldn`t fall into the junior/NHL gap.


AHL eligible. We could keep him up if he deserves it with that as a cushion.

:thumbs:

Looks like a pretty sweet hockey player in the making.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 10:04 PM
Wonder if Haggerty gets any time on the second unit?

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 10:06 PM
Duclair - Stepan - Nash
Kreider - Brassard - MZA

Real nice top 6 and leaves really good wing depth with MSL and Hags with whoever ends up third line center.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 10:07 PM
Duclair - Stepan - Nash
Kreider - Brassard - MZA

Real nice top 6 and leaves really nice wing depth with MSL and Hags with whoever ends up third line center.

Miller.

Yeah, tons of balance. Lots of interchangeable parts too.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 10:08 PM
Miller.

Yeah, tons of balance. Lots of interchangeable parts too.

Right which let's you drop Duclair down lines if he needs it.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 10:09 PM
Hawks finally looking like the Hawks.

Pete
09-26-2014, 10:10 PM
Stempniak is...rusty.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 10:11 PM
Stempniak is...rusty.

Yeah he hasn't shown me much yet.

DiJock94
09-26-2014, 10:12 PM
He sucks

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 10:13 PM
Hawks finally looking like the Hawks.

Reminds me of every game against the Kings.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 10:14 PM
I didn't even realize Stempniak was playing. No joke.

Showstoppa113
09-26-2014, 10:16 PM
Nice to see Trash is mid-season form with that breakaway in the 2nd...

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 10:17 PM
Part of me still misses Richards. Less so the hockey player, more so the person. But still.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 10:17 PM
I didn't even realize Stempniak was playing. No joke.

I saw him when Allen pinched and Stempniak rather than letting Allen play the puck and cover for him chipped it to the middle that resulted in a 2 on 1 against. He made a decent pass to Lindberg on his goal. That was it.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 10:18 PM
Part of me still misses Richards. Less so the hockey player, more so the person. But still.

I'll miss his playoff beard. He was definitely an unexpected beard grower but he showed up big.

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 10:19 PM
Why shouldn't they? He was just old. Only thing "wrong" with him as a Ranger. Similar to Drury.

Old is Jagr 40,

Brad, not really that old. IMO ... when a slow guys loses a couple of paces it's a lot more noticeable.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 10:20 PM
Shut the fuck up, Giannone. Why do they have to keep bringing up Martinez?

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 10:20 PM
Old is Jagr 40,

Brad, not really that old. IMO ... when a slow guys loses a couple of paces it's a lot more noticeable.

When I say old, I'm talking miles, not necessarily age... per se.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 10:20 PM
Nash shouldn't get to answer questions about the payoff run last year. He just shouldn't.

Pete
09-26-2014, 10:23 PM
Nash shouldn't get to answer questions about the payoff run last year. He just shouldn't.

Because he wasn't there?

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 10:26 PM
Because he wasn't there?

Because he isn't being honest. He should say, "I let the team down, I let the fans down and I dishonored myself. " then he should pull out a sword and then impale himself on it while muttering in Japanese.

High and Wide
09-26-2014, 10:29 PM
Because he isn't being honest. He should say, "I let the team down, I let the fans down and I dishonored myself. " then he should pull out a sword and then impale himself on it while muttering in Japanese.

:rofl: Damn, that gave me a good laugh.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 10:31 PM
What a backcheck by Duclair. Dude has just been great. Holy crap. Just setting up Nash so much. Love it.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 10:32 PM
If Duclair continues to play like this, it wouldn't shock me to see the Rangers keep him up for whatever it is — nine or ten games before sending him back to Junior.

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 10:33 PM
Kinda interesting Duclair and Nash ... Duclair seems to have enough skill and Hockey IQ to complement Nash. ope Gernander doesn't someday 'eff it up. Fortunately Patrick Roy is his coach ( Quebec Ramparts), right?.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 10:34 PM
If Duclair continues to play like this, it wouldn't shock me to see the Rangers keep him up for whatever it is — nine or ten games before sending him back to Junior.

It definitely alleviates the lack of offensive talent with Stepan out. I hope he can maintain it beyond then though. Having Duclair up for the season could be great if consistent.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 10:34 PM
Bad penalty by Duclair, but that's a new rule. Can't really fault him for not realizing yet.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 10:35 PM
Bad penalty by Duclair, but that's a new rule. Can't really fault him for not realizing yet.

The turnover was on him though.

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 10:35 PM
Don't like that change in the tripping rules.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 10:35 PM
Kinda interesting Duclair and Nash ... Duclair seems to have enough skill and Hockey IQ to complement Nash. ope Gernander doesn't someday 'eff it up. Fortunately Patrick Roy is his coach ( Quebec Ramparts), right?.

Roy coaches the Avalanche.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 10:35 PM
The turnover was on him though.

Also true. 19, though. I'd chalk that one up to "shit happens".

Pete
09-26-2014, 10:37 PM
Kinda interesting Duclair and Nash ... Duclair seems to have enough skill and Hockey IQ to complement Nash. ope Gernander doesn't someday 'eff it up. Fortunately Patrick Roy is his coach ( Quebec Ramparts), right?.

Um...Roy just won Coach of the Year for the Avs, IIRC...Guy Boucher coaches the Ramparts.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 10:37 PM
Now I'm seeing the poor play from McIlrath.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 10:37 PM
McIlrath just got yelled at by the linesman or ref, I think.

rvbcaboose
09-26-2014, 10:38 PM
Jesus, what was McI thinking on that hit. Terrible.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 10:38 PM
Pete, what did you think about how McIlrath played Hossa there?

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 10:39 PM
Roy coaches the Avalanche.

OK so it was in the past that he coached Duclair (per the interview in between periods earlier. Thanks.

"He was the general manager, and head coach of the Quebec Remparts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Roy) of the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League."

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 10:42 PM
I like that Bourque is just shooting.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 10:44 PM
Desjardins looks good.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 10:44 PM
Miller looks really good.

Pete
09-26-2014, 10:45 PM
Pete, what did you think about how McIlrath played Hossa there?

Thats a penalty.

phillyb™
09-26-2014, 10:48 PM
checking in now, got a stream going.
how we looking?

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 10:49 PM
So as of right now, I've got Duclair, Miller, Lindberg and Allen making the team. J. Moore 7th D.

Duclair - Miller - Nash
Kreider - Brassard - MZA
Hagelin - Lindberg - MSL
Malone - Moore - Lombardi
Glass

McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Boyle
Allen - Klein
Moore

That could all change Monday though.

Pete
09-26-2014, 10:49 PM
So as of right now, I've got Duclair, Miller, Lindberg and Allen making the team. J. Moore 7th D.

Duclair - Miller - Nash
Kreider - Brassard - MZA
Hagelin - Lindberg - MSL
Malone - Moore - Lombardi
Glass

McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Boyle
Allen - Klein
Moore

That could all change Monday though.

Duclair is going back to junior.

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 10:50 PM
Nice Work!

High and Wide
09-26-2014, 10:51 PM
JT Miller looking very good.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 10:51 PM
Duclair is going back to junior.

Not tonight he's not.

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 10:53 PM
Duclair is going back to junior.

Pity, but I don't want a repeat of the too much, too soon, Del Zotto fiasco.

Though I gotta say the kid seems to have a good head on his shoulders.

Pete
09-26-2014, 10:53 PM
Not tonight he's not.

You have an air mattress?

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 10:54 PM
You have an air mattress?

I've got two.

Myusername
09-26-2014, 10:55 PM
Duclair is going to get the 9 games. Don't see any glaring weaknesses from him

Pete
09-26-2014, 10:56 PM
Duclair is going to get the 9 games. Don't see any glaring weaknesses from him

From the 17 minutes he played on one pre season game.

Drew a Penalty
09-26-2014, 10:57 PM
Good job Hawks.

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 10:57 PM
Love those 2nd 3rd and 4th efforts

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 10:58 PM
Doggone little love poke, that's all.

rvbcaboose
09-26-2014, 10:58 PM
Way to not give up Hrivik

Myusername
09-26-2014, 11:00 PM
From the 17 minutes he played on one pre season game.

Chicago is fielding nearly their entire team. You're making assumptions too, fyi

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 11:02 PM
GG.

Respecttheblue
09-26-2014, 11:02 PM
Brad Pilchard looked like he wanted to score vs rangers pretty bad there for a bit.

Pete
09-26-2014, 11:02 PM
Chicago is fielding nearly their entire team. You're making assumptions too, fyi

No, I'm being realistic. You're touting a player you've touted for a year (based on what, I can't say).

I'm being cautiously optimistic...about...a pre season game. It didn't mean anything.

He'll make it when he's ready. It's far too early to say if he's ready.

rvbcaboose
09-26-2014, 11:10 PM
Its a shame that Duclair will probably get set back down to the juniors, but its for the best. Rangers just have to tell him that he would have made it to the team if it weren't for his age. Give him something to look forward to in a year.

Miller looked good, i think hell make the team for sure.

Allen will probably be D man #7, and im ok with that. He made a few mistakes, but hes still a solid serviceable D man.

Desjardin (spelling?) will be great in the AHL. But with Cam as the main backup, hell be nothing more than an injury call up. He made some great saves though.

lefty9
09-26-2014, 11:16 PM
So as of right now, I've got Duclair, Miller, Lindberg and Allen making the team. J. Moore 7th D.

Duclair - Miller - Nash
Kreider - Brassard - MZA
Hagelin - Lindberg - MSL
Malone - Moore - Lombardi
Glass

McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Boyle
Allen - Klein
Moore

That could all change Monday though.sorry , but Allen didnt look good defensively at all tonight, he look weak in his zone all night, no way do you replace Moore with Allen.

Mike
09-26-2014, 11:29 PM
Bad penalty by Duclair, but that's a new rule. Can't really fault him for not realizing yet.

That's a new NHL rule. He's been playing with that rule since day 1.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 11:32 PM
sorry , but Allen didnt look good defensively at all tonight, he look weak in his zone all night, no way do you replace Moore with Allen.

He didn't look weak. He was physical. He had some mistakes, no doubt, but we aren't talking about a top pair defender. What he does that impresses me is his outlet passing. Moore is just blah. Once or twice a game he rushes up ice and takes a bad angle shot that's easily stopped. Other than that he just kind of hangs around the play.

Pete
09-27-2014, 12:15 AM
Moore has been terrible as a Ranger other than the 10 games after his trade.

Saucy Mitts
09-27-2014, 02:25 AM
Not gonna lie, I had no idea Duclair was black.

Channeling my Grapes, thought he was a good ole fashioned KEBEK FELLA, BY GOD.

Really cool how black players are getting more and more prevalent in the sport.

momentum
09-27-2014, 06:49 AM
Not gonna lie, I had no idea Duclair was black.

Channeling my Grapes, thought he was a good ole fashioned KEBEK FELLA, BY GOD.

Really cool how black players are getting more and more prevalent in the sport.

Don't care about the color of a player whatsoever, but if Duclair keeps playing like he did yesterday it's going to be interesting to see if they still send him down. Kid looked great.

AmericanJesus
09-27-2014, 09:16 AM
Don't care about the color of a player whatsoever, but if Duclair keeps playing like he did yesterday it's going to be interesting to see if they still send him down. Kid looked great.

I think he was referring to more blacks in hockey being good because it's an entirely new group of athletes to add to our game which increases the skill level. Younger athletes tend to find role models and the more successful black hockey players there are for younger black players to emulate the better.

FleshistheFever
09-27-2014, 09:21 AM
Duclair CAN make this team. I dont think anyone has clicked with Nash as fast as he did. The kid isnt too bad from a defensive standpoint either. Speed, smarts, goal scoring prowess, and hes not a huge defensive liability. Bring'em on! He looks like he can net 15 (at minimum) this year.

Miller looks like a grown ass man. Kid played REALLY well last night too. He's hard to knock off the puck, good vision, good hands. Looks like him and McD have a little chemistry going too! He's ready to take the next step. I think he's a walk-on after seeing what he can do these past 2 games.

Lindberg looks good but I think some more time with the Pack can help his game tremendously. He's very elusive. He disappears then comes up with the puck out of no where. Can't really figure out where to slot him in the line-up though. He'll be up and down. Him and Jesper Fast are both on the same plane, IMO. Lindberg has more smarts and Fast has more spunk. Different skill sets but similar enough to skate by using either one interchangeably.

Allen should be the 7th D and Malone looks like he's worth a roster spot.
Chris Bourque looks like he can play, he's right on the fence. Him and Hayes need another look.

Everyone else looked OK. Not impressed with Stempniak. The guy looks like he can play hockey for sure, but outside of his speed and grit, hes nothing to talk about. And Personally, I dont really want him to take a spot away from one of these kids. Trade McIlrath NOW. See ya, Kostka. Lombardi looked like a chicken with his head cut off the other night. Meh.

PS - Nash's legs looked fantastic! Not sure if he looks like he's going to plug in 20-25+ but his stamina and feet were at the top of their game.

This is an exciting time to be a Ranger fan! The guys looks ready for war and the competition for a spot within the organization is really showing what some of these guys are made of. Hopefully, we can stay healthy and hungry. I think we're in for a fun ride this season.

torontonyr
09-27-2014, 09:42 AM
Sorry to interrupt, but does anyone have a link to a video for the McIlrath scrap? My stream cut out moments prior and I can't find it in any highlight package.

Thanks!

AmericanJesus
09-27-2014, 09:55 AM
Sorry to interrupt, but does anyone have a link to a video for the McIlrath scrap? My stream cut out moments prior and I can't find it in any highlight package.

Thanks!

Don't have one but I bet Hockey Fights does.

torontonyr
09-27-2014, 10:01 AM
Don't have one but I bet Hockey Fights does.

Unfortunately, they don't.

Vodka Drunkenski
09-27-2014, 10:35 AM
Maybe it's just me but too much is being made here from a preseason game.

Pete
09-27-2014, 10:38 AM
Maybe it's just me but too much is being made here from a preseason game.

I was just about to say the same thing. I don't think I've ever seen so many people jump to so many conclusions based on one game.

momentum
09-27-2014, 11:04 AM
I think he was referring to more blacks in hockey being good because it's an entirely new group of athletes to add to our game which increases the skill level. Younger athletes tend to find role models and the more successful black hockey players there are for younger black players to emulate the better.I think you're probably right that that was was he was saying, that's the conclusion i had myself as well and my point was simply that I don't care if more blacks gets involved in hockey as little as I care if more white players makes the NBA, in short. I don't care if their is a mix or if everyone is white or if everyone is black. Simply: I don't care about skin color, in my opinion there is only one race, the human race. I don't care about pigmentation.
I'm excited about Duclair though, he's a player that I think will become a difference maker.

FleshistheFever
09-27-2014, 11:12 AM
You can't deny the fact that guys who were highly touted coming into the preseason are some of the same guys who are shining on the ice during the preseason games here. You're both right, you certainly aren't able to base your line up from the outcome of one preseason game but the numbers dont lie and by watching, you can notice who's standing out and who isn't. Plus, its exciting - F'n hockey is back! We're supposed to analyze and assume a lil bit.

jsm7302
09-27-2014, 11:22 AM
Regardless of one game or not, I'd much rather see an early bloomer come up (not rushed up of course) and make the tlteam over a guy like Lombardi. We signed a bunch of veterans whom couldn't even sniff the NHL last year so why not let a new guy come on and get his feet wet. However I do not include malone in that bunch. He has a lot to prove and I say we give him the chance. I was extremely skeptical of the signing but hey... This group looks hungry. Hoping for a 1-4 seed this year!!!

Vodka Drunkenski
09-27-2014, 11:30 AM
Have a kid come in to play limited bottom 6 minutes? That kills development

The Dude
09-27-2014, 11:33 AM
Its a shame that Duclair will probably get set back down to the juniors, but its for the best. Rangers just have to tell him that he would have made it to the team if it weren't for his age. Give him something to look forward to in a year.

Miller looked good, i think hell make the team for sure.

Allen will probably be D man #7, and im ok with that. He made a few mistakes, but hes still a solid serviceable D man.

Desjardin (spelling?) will be great in the AHL. But with Cam as the main backup, hell be nothing more than an injury call up. He made some great saves though.

Meh. Does Talbot have a lock on the back up job? He didn't look too great in the first game. Hope hes not too comfortable in thinking hes made it after one good year in a backup role.

Drew a Penalty
09-27-2014, 11:36 AM
Meh. Does Talbot have a lock on the back up job? He didn't look too great in the first game. Hope hes not too comfortable in thinking hes made it after one good year in a backup role.

He's going to have his spot up for grabs after 30 minutes of play in a game in which he had only 2 regulars in defense in front of him? Talbot isn't losing his backup job least of all to Desjardins. Desjardins did very well, but beyond 30 minutes of play in this preseason fro both goaltenders, Talbot has a much better track record.

The Dude
09-27-2014, 11:43 AM
Wow with the overboard Mcllrath hate. Not much said about how he was paired with shotty Moore and how that could affect anyone, yet he did pretty good. Kicked the shit out of a guy, and got a bullshit instigator penalty. Such a stupid rule. Its really gotta go.

I think he played very well. Funny a guy like Allen gets all the excuses gor error, but not Mcllrath.

The Dude
09-27-2014, 11:50 AM
He's going to have his spot up for grabs after 30 minutes of play in a game in which he had only 2 regulars in defense in front of him? Talbot isn't losing his backup job least of all to Desjardins. Desjardins did very well, but beyond 30 minutes of play in this preseason fro both goaltenders, Talbot has a much better track record.

Yeah, but then the same could be said for how Talbot GOT the job. One GOOD year as a backup doesn't solidify a job. Does it?

Btw he was beat on some weak shots. Im just hoping hes not the one hit wonder I was hoping he wasnt. I could see such a player relax a bit after thinking they "made it". I certainly dont think hes "made it" and shouldn't get too comfortable. One year does NOT make a goalie, as they come and go so fast in this league.

Drew a Penalty
09-27-2014, 11:56 AM
Yeah, but then the same could be said for how Talbot GOT the job. One GOOD year as a backup doesn't solidify a job. Does it?

Btw he was beat on some weak shots. Im just hoping hes not the one hit wonder I was hoping he wasnt. I could see such a player relax a bit after thinking they "made it". I certainly dont think hes "made it" and shouldn't get too comfortable. One year does NOT make a goalie, as they come and go so fast in this league.

It doesn't, but Talbot at least has succeeded in the NHL. Desjardins hasn't had one good stint and he's 28. I don't think you're going to see Talbot worrying at all and I'm not worried about his play from 30 minutes in a preseason game. He's not a starter, he's a backup. I don't think we should be immensely worried. I don't think think Talbot has this attitude you're suggesting he has. He's stated he wants to build off of last season and prove he's not a fluke. He's done incredibly well in both the NHL and AHL. He shouldn't be worried about his spot and he should be comfortable because he's good, not because he thinks he's "made it." He's a 27 year old who is probably very aware of his role on the team. I don't think we need to be worried about egos and regression.

Pete
09-27-2014, 12:10 PM
We wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs last year without Talbot. Doubt he goes anywhere.

So Nashty
09-27-2014, 12:49 PM
Duclair looked great and there is certainly a lot to be excited about. But no reason to rush him. Let him develop more I n the first line in juniors rather than the third line in the nhl.

Miller finally showing why he was a high pick.. Looked really good in both games but he definitely still needs to simplify his game a little.

Hrivik and Lindberg both had really good games. Will be interesting to see how long they stick around for this camp.

McCilrath... Not saying he was terrible but I'm finding it hard to judge his play. The only times I noticed him last night was one or two "bad" plays where he gave up the puck. Can't seem to read him.

Nash looked great which is good news. As long as he stays healthy.

Myusername
09-27-2014, 01:07 PM
I don't think Duclair will be playing on the third line if he makes it. Tortorella's not coaching the team anymore

That said, maybe it's best to send him back. I'm just not sure how much more developing he's going to do in juniors. By all accounts he's past that baby shit

FleshistheFever
09-27-2014, 01:14 PM
I don't think Duclair will be playing on the third line if he makes it. Tortorella's not coaching the team anymore

That said, maybe it's best to send him back. I'm just not sure how much more developing he's going to do in juniors. By all accounts he's past that baby shit

Yep. Duclair needs to be challenged.

torontonyr
09-27-2014, 01:36 PM
Have a kid come in to play limited bottom 6 minutes? That kills development

Typically I would agree with you, but this club is different. There really is no "bottom 6" here, as it relates to most teams in the NHL. The New York Rangers, last season at least, essentially run three "first/second lines".

Myusername
09-27-2014, 01:47 PM
What people sometimes forget is this guy probably would have went in the top 15 last season if it wasn't for the lousy season he had due to injuries. In terms of skill he's not far behind some of the player picked at the top that year. This is not some boom or bust prospect picked in the 5th round that you hope develops slowly into something useful. He's supremely talented, and from what I've heard from players and coaches, he's very mature and very focused for his age. He's also put on about 10 lbs since last season, so he is less likely to get pushed around in the NHL. Add the speed factor and you have someone who has a good chance to help the team this season. Guess it will be up to A.V. to decide if it's worthwhile to take that chance

Myusername
09-27-2014, 01:52 PM
In other news, I think I'm excited the most about Miller this season. If he keeps playing like he has, he's going to put up 40-50 points this season

Respecttheblue
09-27-2014, 02:40 PM
What people sometimes forget is this guy probably would have went in the top 15 last season if it wasn't for the lousy season he had due to injuries. In terms of skill he's not far behind some of the player picked at the top that year. This is not some boom or bust prospect picked in the 5th round that you hope develops slowly into something useful. He's supremely talented, and from what I've heard from players and coaches, he's very mature and very focused for his age. He's also put on about 10 lbs since last season, so he is less likely to get pushed around in the NHL. Add the speed factor and you have someone who has a good chance to help the team this season. Guess it will be up to A.V. to decide if it's worthwhile to take that chance

Do they have to take "a chance," per se?

Is there not still leeway to give a junior a 9-game maximum NHL stint (like with Del Zotto) before having to choose to stay up or return to Juniors?

That said, If they let him play the 9 games, unless he turns into Sidney Crosby, I'd still send him back, just don't want the head/mind-farg baggage risk that comes with the adjustment to a full 82 game season of NHL, a full season of the speed, size and ferocity of the NHL, and the mental adjustment to being a kid in the big city. It's a pity Hartford is not an option right now, but too much too soon scares the crap out of me. Not an easy decision if he excels the remaining games, because he "looks" ready, but being ready can mean a lot more, and looks can be deceptive.

Drew a Penalty
09-27-2014, 02:44 PM
Do they have to take "a chance," per se?

Is there not still leeway to give a junior a 9-game maximum NHL stint (like with Del Zotto) before having to choose to stay up or return to Juniors?

That said, If they let him play the 9 games, unless he turns into Sidney Crosby, I'd still send him back, just don't want the head/mind-farg baggage risk that comes with the adjustment to a full 82 game season of NHL, a full season of the speed, size and ferocity of the NHL, and the mental adjustment to being a kid in the big city. It's a pity Hartford is not an option right now, but too much too soon scares the crap out of me. Not an easy decision if he excels the remaining games, because he "looks" ready, but being ready can mean a lot more, and looks can be deceptive.

The 9 game stint affects contractual status. He can still be sent back down to junior at any point in the season. Truthfully, I don't even know if the 9 games even matters for Duclair. Everything mentioned hasn't really alluded to his contract sliding like normally. I believe he'd still use up a year of his contract and I believe he's counted on the 50 contract limit so I'm not entirely sure if the 9 games is really applicable to him.

AmericanJesus
09-27-2014, 07:42 PM
The 9 game stint affects contractual status. He can still be sent back down to junior at any point in the season. Truthfully, I don't even know if the 9 games even matters for Duclair. Everything mentioned hasn't really alluded to his contract sliding like normally. I believe he'd still use up a year of his contract and I believe he's counted on the 50 contract limit so I'm not entirely sure if the 9 games is really applicable to him.

It has already been confirmed by Cap geek that he can't slide again. He'll burn a year of his ELC this year no matter what. Not sure if he can be sent down to juniors after 10 games though. That's a new one for me.

Drew a Penalty
09-27-2014, 07:59 PM
It has already been confirmed by Cap geek that he can't slide again. He'll burn a year of his ELC this year no matter what. Not sure if he can be sent down to juniors after 10 games though. That's a new one for me.

That's what I figured. I was just looking for clarification.

You can be sent down at any point in time I believe. 9 games is only in reference to contract as far as I know. Given that anything that would taken affect after those 9 games will happen regardless, I don't think it matters how many games we give Duclair.

CreaseCrusader91
09-27-2014, 08:13 PM
That's what I figured. I was just looking for clarification.

You can be sent down at any point in time I believe. 9 games is only in reference to contract as far as I know. Given that anything that would taken affect after those 9 games will happen regardless, I don't think it matters how many games we give Duclair.
Correct. He burns a year no matter what happens this year so the 9 game trial has no bearing. He could play 50 games and rejoin the Remparts.

AmericanJesus
09-27-2014, 08:16 PM
Correct. He burns a year no matter what happens this year so the 9 game trial has no bearing. He could play 50 games and rejoin the Remparts.

I would imagine once he was sent down to juniors he couldn't be recalled, correct?

Drew a Penalty
09-27-2014, 08:21 PM
I would imagine once he was sent down to juniors he couldn't be recalled, correct?

Correct. That stays the same. He could be recalled once the Remparts season ends, but that won't be until quite late because the Remparts have a guaranteed spot in the Memorial Cup.

Mike
09-27-2014, 10:10 PM
What people sometimes forget is this guy probably would have went in the top 15 last season if it wasn't for the lousy season he had due to injuries. In terms of skill he's not far behind some of the player picked at the top that year. This is not some boom or bust prospect picked in the 5th round that you hope develops slowly into something useful. He's supremely talented, and from what I've heard from players and coaches, he's very mature and very focused for his age. He's also put on about 10 lbs since last season, so he is less likely to get pushed around in the NHL. Add the speed factor and you have someone who has a good chance to help the team this season. Guess it will be up to A.V. to decide if it's worthwhile to take that chance
Is the source something you can share, or no?

The Dude
09-28-2014, 07:14 AM
It doesn't, but Talbot at least has succeeded in the NHL. Desjardins hasn't had one good stint and he's 28. I don't think you're going to see Talbot worrying at all and I'm not worried about his play from 30 minutes in a preseason game. He's not a starter, he's a backup. I don't think we should be immensely worried. I don't think think Talbot has this attitude you're suggesting he has. He's stated he wants to build off of last season and prove he's not a fluke. He's done incredibly well in both the NHL and AHL. He shouldn't be worried about his spot and he should be comfortable because he's good, not because he thinks he's "made it." He's a 27 year old who is probably very aware of his role on the team. I don't think we need to be worried about egos and regression.

Im probably exaggerating. Its probably nothing. Just something to keep an eye on.

Pete
09-28-2014, 08:46 AM
What people sometimes forget is that it's been ONE PRESEASON game.

FleshistheFever
09-28-2014, 08:51 AM
What people sometimes forget is that it's been ONE PRESEASON game.

Like I said earlier, the ones who were expected to shine are the ones shining during these preseason games. Nothing wrong with people getting excited about our teams potential. Its expected, no?

Pete
09-28-2014, 08:55 AM
Like I said earlier, the ones who were expected to shine are the ones shining during these preseason games. Nothing wrong with people getting excited about our teams potential. Its expected, no?

I'm as excited as anyone about Duclair. But there's a lot of unrealistic expectations here. It has been one game. Not even multiple. Just one. One. Singular. And there isn't instant chemistry with him and Nash. It was one nice play. They really didn't do anything else that game. And if I want to nitpick, Duclair took a dumb tripping penalty. But I won't nitpick.

Why is there no patience for Duclair? Why is he being rushed?

FleshistheFever
09-28-2014, 09:04 AM
I'm as excited as anyone about Duclair. But there's a lot of unrealistic expectations here. It has been one game. Not even multiple. Just one. One. Singular. And there isn't instant chemistry with him and Nash. It was one nice play. They really didn't do anything else that game. And if I want to nitpick, Duclair took a dumb tripping penalty. But I won't nitpick.

Why is there no patience for Duclair? Why is he being rushed?

Well, for one, it wasn't just the one play for a goal. Duclair and Nash were constantly looking for one another out there. I know the vets are trying to help the young grasshopper but it was more than that. Nash wasnt looking for Brass and Brass wasnt looking for Duclair. It was primarily Nash and Duclair trying to link on passes. There was a little something there.

No one is rushing the kid but what else can he do down in Juniors? The kid can clearly hang. He was up against most of Chicago's finest and he did pretty well on both ends of the ice. Yes, it was ONE game but again, while the rest sorta blended in - Duclair stood out.

Drew a Penalty
09-28-2014, 09:07 AM
I'm as excited as anyone about Duclair. But there's a lot of unrealistic expectations here. It has been one game. Not even multiple. Just one. One. Singular. And there isn't instant chemistry with him and Nash. It was one nice play. They really didn't do anything else that game. And if I want to nitpick, Duclair took a dumb tripping penalty. But I won't nitpick.

Why is there no patience for Duclair? Why is he being rushed?

Duclair technically set him up 3 times that game, but I get what you mean.

It's definitely nice to have a shiny new toy. I'm definitely trying to keep myself reeled back here in terms of not getting too excited about this. I actually had pretty moderate expectations for his camp and while I would give him some time on the team, there are a few more games he has left to prove himself in.

He doesn't have to be rushed, but I understand people who do want to see him up. I don't agree with the train of though that he'll be bored in junior. Playing in junior isn't for enjoyment, but for his betterment. Plus he gets the benefit of having a season lasting until late May with Quebec hosting the Memorial Cup.

On the flip side, contractually this season means the same thing. He can be up or down and he's still on the 50 roster limit and he loses a year. If he's good enough, I think keeping him up can be justified, but he has to be really good. Expecting him to be set for top line duty at 19 for 82 games is tough. He's not the type of guy that can really play bottom six minutes. He'd be ineffective there and it could just hurt him more than help.

I'm rooting for him to stick with the team if he can, but I also think another year lighting up and leading Quebec in the Memorial Cup could benefit him.

Drew a Penalty
09-28-2014, 09:11 AM
No one is rushing the kid but what else can he do down in Juniors? The kid can clearly hang. He was up against most of Chicago's finest and he did pretty well on both ends of the ice. Yes, it was ONE game but again, while the rest sorta blended in - Duclair stood out.

He can win the Memorial Cup and win gold in the WJC. He can't do either of those here. He has guaranteed top line duty for at minimum 71 games in junior plus top six duty for Canada at the WJC. He won't get those opportunities here unless he's lights out and can hold a top six spot for the entire season.

It's also not about what more can he do, but can he keep it up and can he improve in other areas.

Pete
09-28-2014, 09:14 AM
Well, for one, it wasn't just the one play for a goal. Duclair and Nash were constantly looking for one another out there. I know the vets are trying to help the young grasshopper but it was more than that. Nash wasnt looking for Brass and Brass wasnt looking for Duclair. It was primarily Nash and Duclair trying to link on passes. There was a little something there.

No one is rushing the kid but what else can he do down in Juniors? The kid can clearly hang. He was up against most of Chicago's finest and he did pretty well on both ends of the ice. Yes, it was ONE game but again, while the rest sorta blended in - Duclair stood out.

IMO, you're reading way too much into 20 minutes of hockey. WAY too much.

Pete
09-28-2014, 09:16 AM
Duclair technically set him up 3 times that game, but I get what you mean.

It's definitely nice to have a shiny new toy. I'm definitely trying to keep myself reeled back here in terms of not getting too excited about this. I actually had pretty moderate expectations for his camp and while I would give him some time on the team, there are a few more games he has left to prove himself in.

He doesn't have to be rushed, but I understand people who do want to see him up. I don't agree with the train of though that he'll be bored in junior. Playing in junior isn't for enjoyment, but for his betterment. Plus he gets the benefit of having a season lasting until late May with Quebec hosting the Memorial Cup.

On the flip side, contractually this season means the same thing. He can be up or down and he's still on the 50 roster limit and he loses a year. If he's good enough, I think keeping him up can be justified, but he has to be really good. Expecting him to be set for top line duty at 19 for 82 games is tough. He's not the type of guy that can really play bottom six minutes. He'd be ineffective there and it could just hurt him more than help.

I'm rooting for him to stick with the team if he can, but I also think another year lighting up and leading Quebec in the Memorial Cup could benefit him.

I'm not saying he won't/shouldn't break/camp making the team. I'm saying it's too early to say and people are gleaning a lot from 20 minutes of hockey.

Drew a Penalty
09-28-2014, 09:24 AM
I'm not saying he won't/shouldn't break/camp making the team. I'm saying it's too early to say and people are gleaning a lot from 20 minutes of hockey.

I get that. I'm also just getting into what other people have said in regards to Duclair. I agree that it's a bit early to judge. I watch Duclair quite a bit and I'm pretty shocked by how well he did. Not that he isn't very good, but I wasn't expecting too much given his still rather small build and it being his first pro appearance. We'll see how he does against the Flyers. If he can maintain, great, but I'm not expecting a ppg preseason performance like Stepan.

FleshistheFever
09-28-2014, 09:27 AM
Prediction: Duclair will have 4 (maybe 5) goals, 2 assists and fight Del Zotto vs. Philly. 7 pts. and a TKO.

Vodka Drunkenski
09-28-2014, 09:29 AM
And I'm going to win the Mega Millions

FleshistheFever
09-28-2014, 09:30 AM
We must have gotten the same fortune cookie.

Vodka Drunkenski
09-28-2014, 09:30 AM
IMO, you're reading way too much into 20 minutes of hockey. WAY too much.

20 minutes of preseason hockey

AmericanJesus
09-28-2014, 10:00 AM
What is wrong with making projections based on the first look at a player? All we've heard about Duclair is that he was a steal at where he was picked and everyone is talking about the kid having an outside chance of making the team. So when he gets to play his first preseason game and is the best player on the ice for either team, why is it such an issue to discuss the possibility IF HE CAN MAINTAIN THIS LEVEL for the rest of camp and through the early season?

Did I miss it where someone said he was a lock for the Calder? Why the need to scold folks for saying "if"?

Pete
09-28-2014, 10:42 AM
What is wrong with making projections based on the first look at a player? All we've heard about Duclair is that he was a steal at where he was picked and everyone is talking about the kid having an outside chance of making the team. So when he gets to play his first preseason game and is the best player on the ice for either team, why is it such an issue to discuss the possibility IF HE CAN MAINTAIN THIS LEVEL for the rest of camp and through the early season?

Did I miss it where someone said he was a lock for the Calder? Why the need to scold folks for saying "if"?

This post makes me think you haven't read all the posts in this thread, because what people aren't saying IF HE CAN MAINTAIN anything. Lots of people are saying that he already has show chemistry with Nash, he's outgrown junior, etc, all because of one decent preseason game.

It's not what's being said, it's WHY it's being said.

I mean we heard this all about Grachev, too. People get way too amped over a tiny hint.