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Phil in Absentia
09-08-2014, 11:17 AM
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Hockey season is just around the corner!

Please use this thread to discuss all feasible training camp related topics including
(but not limited to) rink reports, invites and more. This thread is intended to discuss the
New York Rangers training camp, though other team information (that is relevant to the
Rangers) can be posted here as well.


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USEFUL LINKS:

Andrew Gross' blog (http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/) • Steve Zipay's blog (http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/blue-notes-1.811976) • Pat Leonard's Blog (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/rangers/) • New York Post (http://nypost.com/hockey/) • ESPN NY: Katie Strang (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/hockey/category/_/name/new-york-rangers)


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Training Camp Roster:


Forwards:

Chris Bourque, Ryan Bourque, Derick Brassard, Nathan Burns, Anthony Duclair, Jesper Fast, Tanner Glass,
Carl Hagelin, Ryan Haggerty, Kevin Hayes, Marek Hrivik, Keegan Iverson, Michael Kantor, Chris Kreider,
Danny Kristo, Nickolas Latta, Paxton Leroux, Oscar Lindberg, Matthew Lombardi, Ryan Malone, Chris McCarthy,
J.T. Miller, Dominic Moore, Chris Mueller, Rick Nash, Richard Nejezchleb, Logan Nelson, Josh Nicholls, Ryan
Potulny, Michael St. Croix, Martin St. Louis, Lee Stempniak, Derek Stepan, Adam Tambellini, Nick Tarnasky,
Andrew Yogan, Mats Zuccarello, Petr Zamorsky


Defensemen:

Conor Allen, Mat Bodie, Dan Boyle, Troy Donnay, Dan Girardi, Ryan Graves, Tommy Hughes, Matt Hunwick,
Steven Kampfer, Kevin Klein, Michael Kostka, Ryan Mantha, Ryan McDonagh, Dylan McIlrath, John Moore,
Samuel Noreau, Marc Staal, Dallas Valentine, Daniel Walcott


Goaltenders:


Cedrick Desjardins, Brandon Halverson, Henrik Lundqvist, Jason Missiaen, Mackenzie Skapski, Cam Talbot



Tryouts:

TBD


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G1000
09-08-2014, 02:33 PM
Winter is coming!

Winter
09-09-2014, 12:05 AM
Winter is coming!

im here... im here, calm down.

Phil in Absentia
09-09-2014, 10:42 AM
:tweet: @HartnettHockey: Newest #NYR forwards Lee Stempniak and Matthew Lombardi at today's informal skate. http://t.co/UNYhqPgdIr

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxGS886CIAAB2jQ.jpg:large


:tweet: @HartnettHockey: Same jersey, new Boyle. #NYR d-man Dan Boyle standing next to Zucc at the informal morning skate. http://t.co/sK2SH73dqx

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:tweet: @HartnettHockey: #NYR winger Tanner Glass by the glass. http://t.co/7sh3fYw620

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Johnnydollaz18
09-09-2014, 02:18 PM
What do we think Malone's chances to make the team is? Idk if i'd even want him on the roster over a potential younger forward making the team.

Phil in Absentia
09-09-2014, 02:19 PM
What do we think Malone's chances to make the team is? Idk if i'd even want him on the roster over a potential younger forward making the team.

http://www.blueshirtsbrotherhood.com/showthread.php?14533-F-Ryan-Malone-Joining-Informal-Skates-9-8-14-Expected-to-Sign-in-quot-Next-Few-Days-quot&p=697847&viewfull=1#post697847

Johnnydollaz18
09-09-2014, 02:33 PM
http://www.blueshirtsbrotherhood.com/showthread.php?14533-F-Ryan-Malone-Joining-Informal-Skates-9-8-14-Expected-to-Sign-in-quot-Next-Few-Days-quot&p=697847&viewfull=1#post697847

Thanks, Phil!

Captain Clutch
09-09-2014, 02:51 PM
The new guys can't get practice jerseys?

Phil in Absentia
09-09-2014, 02:56 PM
The new guys can't get practice jerseys?

Might be just the way they were organizing lines/rushes in informal practice.

Vodka Drunkenski
09-09-2014, 04:07 PM
Is there a list of players that were at the informal skate?

Slobberknocker
09-10-2014, 11:12 PM
i have wood

McDougalfaschnitzer
09-15-2014, 12:55 PM
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Looks like Hank realized his gear looked bad.

Phil in Absentia
09-15-2014, 12:57 PM
:tweet: @AGrossRecord: JT Miller admits the way he prepared for last season was not "very professional." Much more serious about preparation this year.

Respecttheblue
09-15-2014, 11:36 PM
:tweet: @AGrossRecord: JT Miller admits the way he prepared for last season was not "very professional." Much more serious about preparation this year.

Slightly disturbing to hear that about last year, but glad to hear he's getting with the plan.

Captain Clutch
09-16-2014, 12:04 AM
Guess he still felt like a kid but it seems AV may have put some sense in his head.

NYRangers723
09-16-2014, 08:15 AM
Guess he still felt like a kid but it seems AV may have put some sense in his head.


One thing that worries me about miller is his behavior/temper. Both Torts and AV alluded to teh fact that Miller had some issues in the past even before he was drafted. Look he is young but he has to keep his head on straight. Im glad he looks more mature at least right now

Gorilla Salad
09-16-2014, 02:19 PM
About the training complex...
http://rangers.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=53594

With today’s professional athletes having to compete at a higher level than ever before, the New York Rangers, along with the Knicks and Liberty began training year-round in the state-of-the-art Madison Square Garden Training Center in Tarrytown, New York in September 2002. This facility is another proactive element of the organizations’ continuing commitment towards supplying Madison Square Garden sports fans with the most competitive teams in their respective leagues.

The Madison Square Garden Training Center offers the Rangers, Knicks and Liberty the opportunity to utilize the best equipment, the best training regimen, the best environment — to elevate their performances when they open their respective schedules in the NHL, NBA and WNBA. The 105,000 square-foot facility, set on 16 acres of private land in Westchester County, is equipped with well-appointed private areas and office space, exercise rooms with dedicated equipment for each team, the latest technology and first-class amenities.

The facility features two basketball courts and one NHL regulation-sized hockey rink. Each team’s area within the Madison Square Garden Training Center includes:
•1,800 square—foot complete cardiovascular and weight room
•Steam rooms, whirlpool and cold plunge
•Gated parking lots located adjacent to a private entrance into the players’ lounge
•Tiered classrooms with high-back theater style seating
•State of the art video editing rooms
•Coach’s loung/offices
•The training center also features amenities to be shared by all teams, including a Hydro Worx 1000 aquatic therapy pool, a dining room with seating for 40 people and auxiliary locker rooms which can be utilized for visiting teams in need of additional practice time during their stay in New York.
Media accommodations include dedicated media rooms and workstations, pre-wired for phone and Internet access, an interview room for one-on-one or small group interviews, as well as cabled locations for remote broadcasts. The basketball courts and hockey rink are all equipped with dedicated seating for attending media.

Gorilla Salad
09-16-2014, 02:22 PM
Slightly disturbing to hear that about last year, but glad to hear he's getting with the plan.

He was only 20. How many 20 year old, millionaire athletes are totally professional? 99% don't even know the definition of the word. I give him a pass and applaud the fact that he's obviously taken the break to reflect, possible seek some guidance and career advice and now will hopefully produce to the best of his ability.

NYRangers723
09-16-2014, 02:45 PM
He was only 20. How many 20 year old, millionaire athletes are totally professional? 99% don't even know the definition of the word. I give him a pass and applaud the fact that he's obviously taken the break to reflect, possible seek some guidance and career advice and now will hopefully produce to the best of his ability.

To be fair it is a legit concern despite his age. I mean Im glad he looks more mature so far but there is no question he has had some behavior issues. Both Torts and AV alluded to it.

Pete
09-16-2014, 02:47 PM
To be fair it is a legit concern despite his age. I mean Im glad he looks more mature so far but there is no question he has had some behavior issues. Both Torts and AV alluded to it.

Can you source some quotes from JT regarding Miller than pointed that out? Because the first issue I remember hearing about his attitude was at the end of last year, from AV.

Puck Head
09-16-2014, 02:50 PM
Can you source some quotes from JT regarding Miller than pointed that out? Because the first issue I remember hearing about his attitude was at the end of last year, from AV.

Torts had nothing but solid things to say about Miller overall from what I read and remember.
His BIG thing was that he loved what Miller brought in regards to talent, attitude, etc, (jam)...but insistent they don't ruin Miller by bringing him up too early.
A few times compared Miller to Kreider in regards to importance of developing the "right way"...and that might have to be the AHL.

Tort's was very protective of not ruining prospects.

Morphinity
09-16-2014, 02:58 PM
Torts had nothing but solid things to say about Miller overall from what I read and remember.
His BIG thing was that he loved what Miller brought in regards to talent, attitude, etc, (jam)...but insistent they don't ruin Miller by bringing him up too early.
A few times compared Miller to Kreider in regards to importance of developing the "right way"...and that might have to be the AHL.

Tort's was very protective of not ruining prospects.

Pretty much.

http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/jt-miller/read-jt-miller-is-an-exceptional-talentjohn-tortorella-is-watching-him-closely-not-done/


Tortorella added that because Miller is a young kid he keeps “waiting for something to go wrong,” but it hasn’t yet and he is “growing as a player.”

...

Before the Rangers played in Pittsburgh, Tortorella said of Miller, via Ranger Rants, “we’re going to watch it very closely because we still think he needs to develop and we want to make sure we’re not always putting him in spots that’s going to hurt his development. He’s a real interesting one as we continue to try to influx our team with young kids.”

...

John Tortorella said that Miller has “some jam” and looks to make a play. He added that he walks a line with Miller in teaching him about situational play, but also allowing him to play.

...

In general on Miller, Tortorella said, “since he started with us, you can see, and he has, sometimes he makes a difference the other way, but the reason why he is here is that he has done more good by trying to take control and do good things. I thought tonight was one of his better games because I think he has been trailing. We are keeping an eye on him because we aren’t going to screw him up. If it gets too ugly and it’s a struggle, he will go right back. Just like Chris, it’s too big an asset to screw around with. We want him to develop the proper way.”

Puck Head
09-16-2014, 03:49 PM
Thanks for finding all that Morph.
My thought was Tort's loved the young kids with the right attitude, and IMO might have not been so quick to praise Miller if he had issues.
Tort's was big when it came to character.

SaveByRichter35
09-16-2014, 05:26 PM
Are Ranger practices, or in the present case training camp, ever open to the public to attend?

Gorilla Salad
09-16-2014, 06:22 PM
Can you source some quotes from JT regarding Miller than pointed that out? Because the first issue I remember hearing about his attitude was at the end of last year, from AV.

^ This - Too many times a young player gets an unfair "reputation". I for one am very happy he seems to be seeing his short comings and wants to turn it around and earn a roster spot. I'm counting on (and hoping for) some BIG thingd from his this training camp. I'm hoping he make's AV's decision easy.

Captain Clutch
09-16-2014, 08:58 PM
Rangers practice has not been open to the public since the 05 lockout. Neither is the skate they do now.

NYRangers723
09-17-2014, 08:06 AM
^ This - Too many times a young player gets an unfair "reputation". I for one am very happy he seems to be seeing his short comings and wants to turn it around and earn a roster spot. I'm counting on (and hoping for) some BIG thingd from his this training camp. I'm hoping he make's AV's decision easy.


Actually i do have a source. I dont say stuff unless it came from the horses mouth. Now i dont have time to track down the exact quote since i am busy with work but i distinctly remember back in the lockout shortened season in 2013 after JT Miller scored his first 2 nhl goals Torts talked about him in his post game press conference. Now he mstly praised him however he ALSO said that Miller has had issues in the past and he just has to make sure he keeps straight. That isnt bashing in fact Torts did treat Miller very well. I guess i must be right because AV said something similar last year. Lastly im a Miller fan and i dont think he is a hothead HOWEVER there is no denying he has had some issues based on what 2 ad coaches have said over the past 2 years.

Pete
09-17-2014, 08:40 AM
Actually i do have a source. I dont say stuff unless it came from the horses mouth. Now i dont have time to track down the exact quote since i am busy with work but i distinctly remember back in the lockout shortened season in 2013 after JT Miller scored his first 2 nhl goals Torts talked about him in his post game press conference. Now he mstly praised him however he ALSO said that Miller has had issues in the past and he just has to make sure he keeps straight. That isnt bashing in fact Torts did treat Miller very well. I guess i must be right because AV said something similar last year. Lastly im a Miller fan and i dont think he is a hothead HOWEVER there is no denying he has had some issues based on what 2 ad coaches have said over the past 2 years.

I believe you're mistaken. These are some quotes from after that game.

“I like the way he carries himself,” Tortorella said. “He’s got some good strut to his game.”

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/sports/hockey/jt-miller-lifts-rangers-over-islanders.html?_r=0
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“It’s important for the organization to keep feeding in with kids,” Tortorella said. “It’s a [salary] cap world, and you need the enthusiasm.”

http://nypost.com/2013/02/08/millers-two-goals-lead-rangers-to-win-msg-broadcaster-smacked-by-puck/

In fact, the only comment even close to what you're alluding to was this:
“He’s got some good strut to his game,” Tortorella added. “We just have to make sure he doesn’t cross the line the other way. He’s done that a few times along the way.”

Which clearly is about being too cute on the ice, nothing about off ice stuff.

AmericanJesus
09-17-2014, 01:12 PM
Here is my opening night roster prediction:

Martin St. Louis ($5.625m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Chris Kreider ($2.475m) / Derick Brassard ($5.000m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.500m)
Ryan Haggerty ($0.925m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Kevin Hayes ($0.900m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Lee Stempniak ($0.900m)
Tanner Glass ($1.450m)

Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Boyle ($4.500m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
John Moore ($0.851m) /

Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)

SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,707,167; BONUSES: $4,333,333
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $292,833

Captain Clutch
09-17-2014, 02:05 PM
You really think the Rangers will want Moore as a 7th?

Phil in Absentia
09-17-2014, 02:06 PM
Malone is making the team, IMO.

I have the same prediction, except minus Haggerty for Malone. I also don't think Allen will be kept up to not play, nor will Moore be a seventh D. I've got Kostka there.

AmericanJesus
09-17-2014, 02:11 PM
Malone is making the team, IMO.

I have the same prediction, except minus Haggerty for Malone. I also don't think Allen will be kept up to not play, nor will Moore be a seventh D. I've got Kostka there.

I see Allen making such a strong case for himself in camp they simply can't justify not having him play. I can also see Moore kind of not showing much and being the odd man out. That's with all the reports that AV isn't likely to put a lefty like Allen on the right side for any stretch of time, unseating the more expensive Klein.

I see Malone kept along for camp but ultimately going the way of Petr Nedved. Well, accept I think when we waive him, some team will claim him.

TwoMinutesForNothing
09-17-2014, 02:12 PM
I think the only open spot is between Hayes and Miller. Better player gets it. Malone makes it and Lombardi will make the team due to PK and faceoff ability. He's Boyle's replacement to pair with Moore.

Pete
09-17-2014, 02:30 PM
Many reports have Hayes at center in Traverse, and that the team thinks that's where he fits. I just don't see a scenario on an AV team where Haggerty and Hayes both make it.

Phil in Absentia
09-17-2014, 02:32 PM
Many reports have Hayes at center in Traverse, and that the team thinks that's where he fits. I just don't see a scenario on an AV team where Haggerty and Hayes both make it.

Or maybe Miller either, for the matter. A lot of us have Miller back at center (though he played some LW at both the NHL and AHL levels last season).

Haggerty is a winger, isn't he? If so, he's competing with Stempniak, Malone, Fast, etc. Not Hayes, unless the Rangers are open to Hayes (and/or Miller) on the wing.

NYRangers723
09-17-2014, 02:34 PM
I believe you're mistaken. These are some quotes from after that game.

“I like the way he carries himself,” Tortorella said. “He’s got some good strut to his game.”

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/sports/hockey/jt-miller-lifts-rangers-over-islanders.html?_r=0
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“It’s important for the organization to keep feeding in with kids,” Tortorella said. “It’s a [salary] cap world, and you need the enthusiasm.”

http://nypost.com/2013/02/08/millers-two-goals-lead-rangers-to-win-msg-broadcaster-smacked-by-puck/

In fact, the only comment even close to what you're alluding to was this:
“He’s got some good strut to his game,” Tortorella added. “We just have to make sure he doesn’t cross the line the other way. He’s done that a few times along the way.”

Which clearly is about being too cute on the ice, nothing about off ice stuff.


Actually Torts said, "We have heard things even before we got him(2011 draft). Look im not trying to act like a smartass but I am pretty sure im not mistaken. I never said he was a bigtime troublemaker. I simply said that he has had a few incidents in the past which has been confirmed by people. I also read from one of his coaches when he was a teenager that of another incident. Like I said I don't have the time to search for exact quotes but I know what I heard/read and have a good memory :o

Pete
09-17-2014, 02:38 PM
Actually Torts said, "We have heard things even before we got him(2011 draft). Look im not trying to act like a smartass but I am pretty sure im not mistaken. I never said he was a bigtime troublemaker. I simply said that he has had a few incidents in the past which has been confirmed by people. I also read from one of his coaches when he was a teenager that of another incident. Like I said I don't have the time to search for exact quotes but I know what I heard/read and have a good memory :oPardon me if I wait to see the actual quotes, especially since you're the only one who seems to remember it.

Pete
09-17-2014, 02:40 PM
Or maybe Miller either, for the matter. A lot of us have Miller back at center (though he played some LW at both the NHL and AHL levels last season).

Haggerty is a winger, isn't he? If so, he's competing with Stempniak, Malone, Fast, etc. Not Hayes, unless the Rangers are open to Hayes (and/or Miller) on the wing.

Miller has a leg up because he has pro experience. Hayes and Haggerty don't. I can't see AV going into the season with a couple of third liners with 0 NHL games between them.

NYRangers723
09-17-2014, 02:41 PM
Pardon me if I wait to see the actual quotes, especially since you're the only one who seems to remember it.

Im not bashing the kid I am a fan im just being honest. I mean AV was honest about some of his issues. JT Miller has even admitted to it the past few weeks. Hopefully now he will move past his mistakes and have a good year this year. So far he looks better on and off the ice so pardon me lol

Pete
09-17-2014, 02:45 PM
Im not bashing the kid I am a fan im just being honest. I mean AV was honest about some of his issues. JT Miller has even admitted to it the past few weeks. Hopefully now he will past his mistakes and have a good year this year. So far he looks better on and off the ice so pardon me lol

It's not a matter of bashing or liking anyone. It's about being factually accurate. If you're so sure that Tortorella said these things, it should be easy to find. A Google search doesn't take much time. I did one this morning and found nothing verifying what you're saying.

It matters, because if he had attitude issues 2 years ago, and it never got addressed, it's a lot different than having an issue 2 months ago.

Phil in Absentia
09-17-2014, 02:47 PM
Miller has a leg up because he has pro experience. Hayes and Haggerty don't. I can't see AV going into the season with a couple of third liners with 0 NHL games between them.

Same. No chance in hell an all-rookie line (even with Miller having some experience) makes the team out of camp.

The way I see it, it's going to shake down like this:


FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.475m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derick Brassard ($5.000m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.500m)
Ryan Malone ($0.700m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Matthew Lombardi ($0.800m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Lee Stempniak ($0.900m)
Tanner Glass ($1.450m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Boyle ($4.500m)
John Moore ($0.851m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Mike Kostka ($0.650m) /

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $892,833


The red spots are "up for grabs", and obviously positionally wingers can shift from one side to the other in a lot of cases.

NYRangers723
09-17-2014, 02:47 PM
It's not a matter of bashing or liking anyone. It's about being factually accurate. If you're so sure that JT said these things, it should be easy to find. A Google search doesn't take much time. I did one this morning and found nothing verifying what you're saying.

Sorry man I work a lot and taking care of my ill mother so I didn't have time to look up sources

Pete
09-17-2014, 02:52 PM
Sorry man I work a lot and taking care of my ill mother so I didn't have time to look up sources

I'm sorry to hear that. Good luck with everything.

Pete
09-17-2014, 02:54 PM
Same. No chance in hell an all-rookie line (even with Miller having some experience) makes the team out of camp.

The way I see it, it's going to shake down like this:


FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.475m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derick Brassard ($5.000m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.500m)
Ryan Malone ($0.700m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Matthew Lombardi ($0.800m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Lee Stempniak ($0.900m)
Tanner Glass ($1.450m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Boyle ($4.500m)
John Moore ($0.851m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Mike Kostka ($0.650m) /

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $892,833


The red spots are "up for grabs", and obviously positionally wingers can shift from one side to the other in a lot of cases.
I'd be interested in Miller on the left of Brassard. He can hold the puck and make plays, he's got some grit and speed. I think he's a better fit to "replace" Pouliot than Malone is.

AmericanJesus
09-17-2014, 03:05 PM
Same. No chance in hell an all-rookie line (even with Miller having some experience) makes the team out of camp.

The way I see it, it's going to shake down like this:


FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.475m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derick Brassard ($5.000m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.500m)
Ryan Malone ($0.700m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Matthew Lombardi ($0.800m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Lee Stempniak ($0.900m)
Tanner Glass ($1.450m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Boyle ($4.500m)
John Moore ($0.851m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Mike Kostka ($0.650m) /

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $892,833


The red spots are "up for grabs", and obviously positionally wingers can shift from one side to the other in a lot of cases.

Teams that don't add at least one and often two or more rookies a season can't survive at the top of this league any more. The math just doesn't work. When guys price themselves out, you need 2nd or 3rd year pros to step in and take their place. To do that, you need a rookie for each on the roster the year before you lose them. We didn't have anyone but Talbot last year. At minimum one of Hayes, Haggerty, Fast, etc have to make the team in addition to Miller, because now we're behind the curve.

Phil in Absentia
09-17-2014, 03:10 PM
Teams that don't add at least one and often two or more rookies a season can't survive at the top of this league any more. The math just doesn't work. When guys price themselves out, you need 2nd or 3rd year pros to step in and take their place. To do that, you need a rookie for each on the roster the year before you lose them. We didn't have anyone but Talbot last year. At minimum one of Hayes, Haggerty, Fast, etc have to make the team in addition to Miller, because now we're behind the curve.

This isn't true. What you mean to say is teams that don't add at least one and often two ore more cost-controlled/bargain players, can't survive at the top of the league any more. It's best if those players are young and productive, but generally speaking, the issue is a math one, which is remedied by the likes of Lombardi, Malone and Stempniak, all of whom make under $1M against the cap — a figure right in line with most rookies' salaries.

Miller, for the record, is still a rookie, so he counts in my book as a rookie making the team as one of those young, cost-controlled players with upside.

I'd love to see your reasoning (other teams as an example, maybe?) as to why two or more are necessary per season. I can't imagine the list of successful teams is very long when you start filtering for multiple rookie campaigns in the same season.

AmericanJesus
09-17-2014, 03:25 PM
This isn't true. What you mean to say is teams that don't add at least one and often two ore more cost-controlled/bargain players, can't survive at the top of the league any more. It's best if those players are young and productive, but generally speaking, the issue is a math one, which is remedied by the likes of Lombardi, Malone and Stempniak, all of whom make under $1M against the cap — a figure right in line with most rookies' salaries.

Miller, for the record, is still a rookie, so he counts in my book as a rookie making the team as one of those young, cost-controlled players with upside.

I'd love to see your reasoning (other teams as an example, maybe?) as to why two or more are necessary per season. I can't imagine the list of successful teams is very long when you start filtering for multiple rookie campaigns in the same season.

That method doesn't work except as an occasional stop gap. Problem is those kinds of players either flee after a year and have to constantly be replaced successfully (no easy) or they succeed and you have to pay them more. They also don't typically end up being more than roll players. When MSL and Boyle retire, you're not going to replace them with Lombardi and Hunwick.

Miller counts from 2 years ago back with JT. The fact that he was up and down last year isn't great, but hopefully he'll get his game together. Still, he and Kreider are among the few rookies to crack the team in the past few seasons.

As to successful teams:

LA - Voynov, Toffoli, Muzzin,
Boston - Smith, Hamilton, Krug
Chicago - Saad, Shaw, Kruger
Anaheim - Fowler, Palmieri, Silfverberg, Vatanen
San Jose - Hertl, Nieto

Edit: Forgot Montreal - Galchenyuk, Bournival, Gallagher

AmericanJesus
09-17-2014, 03:31 PM
Right now for the Rangers, Miller (30), Fast (11), and McIlrath (2) are the only players 22 or under that played for the team last season at all. They combined for 43 games total last year.

Phil in Absentia
09-17-2014, 03:38 PM
That method doesn't work except as an occasional stop gap. Problem is those kinds of players either flee after a year and have to constantly be replaced successfully (no easy) or they succeed and you have to pay them more. They also don't typically end up being more than roll players. When MSL and Boyle retire, you're not going to replace them with Lombardi and Hunwick.

Miller counts from 2 years ago back with JT. The fact that he was up and down last year isn't great, but hopefully he'll get his game together. Still, he and Kreider are among the few rookies to crack the team in the past few seasons.

As to successful teams:

LA - Voynov, Toffoli, Muzzin,
Boston - Smith, Hamilton, Krug
Chicago - Saad, Shaw, Kruger
Anaheim - Fowler, Palmieri, Silfverberg, Vatanen
San Jose - Hertl, Nieto

These don't really apply in the single year proposal you mentioned earlier. Toffoli (and Pearson), for example, were up and down with the Kings all season. Toffoli only played 62 regular season games. Pearson played 25. Muzzin had already played half a season the year prior (plus playoffs), and Voynov had over 100 NHL games before the start of last season. The same applies in a lot of ways to a lot of your list. Most are not out-of-campers who made the team and simply found success all year long. The only team I can think of off the top of my head who accomplished that was Tampa with Tyler Johnson and Ondrej Palat, both of whom played full seasons with Tampa last year. I suppose San José could also fit with Hertl and Nieto as well, though Neito also only played in 66 games last year as well (though that may have been due to injury).

I’m not trying to rail against rookies, but I just don’t think the precedent is there to support the theory that multiple rookies need to make your team every season in order for you to find success. For you to find long-term success? Sure, maybe. You could certainly point to the fact that the most successful teams find a way to get young, cost-controlled players injected into the line-up each season. But it’s not a requirement for single year success, even if you do end up paying for it (as we did in losing Pouliot, Strålman, etc.).

The other thing to note is that in a lot of these cases, these players are brought on at various times and given to various veterans to be coaxed along in their NHL careers. They don’t get thrown onto the same line and told “figure it out”. I can’t imagine any scenario where an all-rookie line showed success over the long-haul of the season. For a stretch here and there? Sure. But as I pointed out before, youth isn’t always synonymous with energy and success. A lot of times it’s synonymous with “not getting it yet”.

Pete
09-17-2014, 03:56 PM
Right now for the Rangers, Miller (30), Fast (11), and McIlrath (2) are the only players 22 or under that played for the team last season at all. They combined for 43 games total last year.

John Moore didn't even have 100 games before last season started.

Phil in Absentia
09-17-2014, 04:01 PM
John Moore didn't even have 100 games before last season started.

And Jesper Fast made the team out of camp. He ended up being sent back down, but did earn a spot right out of the gate. Stuck around for a dozen games or so, if I recall correctly.

Captain Clutch
09-17-2014, 04:11 PM
Rangers release training camp roster

http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6595/rangers-announce-2014-training-camp-roster?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=posts&utm_content=facebook_1410981213#.VBnqQ_mICSo


Forwards (37): Chris Bourque, Ryan Bourque, Derick Brassard, Nathan Burns, Anthony Duclair, Jesper Fast, Tanner Glass, Carl Hagelin, Ryan Haggerty, Kevin Hayes, Marek Hrivik, Keegan Iverson, Michael Kantor, Chris Kreider, Danny Kristo, Nickolas Latta, Paxton Leroux, Oscar Lindberg, Matthew Lombardi, Ryan Malone, Chris McCarthy, J.T. Miller, Dominic Moore, Chris Mueller, Rick Nash, Richard Nejezchleb, Logan Nelson, Josh Nicholls, Ryan Potulny, Michael St. Croix, Martin St. Louis, Lee Stempniak, Derek Stepan, Adam Tambellini, Nick Tarnasky, Andrew Yogan, Mats Zuccarello.

Defensemen (19): Conor Allen, Mat Bodie, Dan Boyle, Troy Donnay, Dan Girardi, Ryan Graves, Tommy Hughes, Matt Hunwick, Steven Kampfer, Kevin Klein, Michael Kostka, Ryan Mantha, Ryan McDonagh, Dylan McIlrath, John Moore, Samuel Noreau, Marc Staal, Dallas Valentine, Daniel Walcott.

Goaltenders (6): Cedrick Desjardins, Brandon Halverson, Henrik Lundqvist, Jason Missiaen, Mackenzie Skapski, Cam Talbot.

Steve Zipay ‏

I'm told Czech D prospect Petr Zamorsky, who played in Traverse City, also will be here to start #NYR camp

No surprises here

Pete
09-17-2014, 04:15 PM
Lineup in the updated OP.

AmericanJesus
09-17-2014, 06:38 PM
These don't really apply in the single year proposal you mentioned earlier. Toffoli (and Pearson), for example, were up and down with the Kings all season. Toffoli only played 62 regular season games. Pearson played 25. Muzzin had already played half a season the year prior (plus playoffs), and Voynov had over 100 NHL games before the start of last season. The same applies in a lot of ways to a lot of your list. Most are not out-of-campers who made the team and simply found success all year long. The only team I can think of off the top of my head who accomplished that was Tampa with Tyler Johnson and Ondrej Palat, both of whom played full seasons with Tampa last year. I suppose San José could also fit with Hertl and Nieto as well, though Neito also only played in 66 games last year as well (though that may have been due to injury).

I’m not trying to rail against rookies, but I just don’t think the precedent is there to support the theory that multiple rookies need to make your team every season in order for you to find success. For you to find long-term success? Sure, maybe. You could certainly point to the fact that the most successful teams find a way to get young, cost-controlled players injected into the line-up each season. But it’s not a requirement for single year success, even if you do end up paying for it (as we did in losing Pouliot, Strålman, etc.).

The other thing to note is that in a lot of these cases, these players are brought on at various times and given to various veterans to be coaxed along in their NHL careers. They don’t get thrown onto the same line and told “figure it out”. I can’t imagine any scenario where an all-rookie line showed success over the long-haul of the season. For a stretch here and there? Sure. But as I pointed out before, youth isn’t always synonymous with energy and success. A lot of times it’s synonymous with “not getting it yet”.

What I'm saying is that you have to have a good number of young irons in the fire. Not that these guys need to play 82 but we need them to get their feet good and wet. The guys I pointed out on other teams will need to continue to develop for those teams to remain at the top of the league. Or at least most of them will.

That isn't to say you need it for a Cup, just saying we had it for a long while, from Staal all the way up to Krieder. And we had two solid runs in part because of it. I'd like to get another half dozen runs over the next decade. To do that, we'll need development of young talent consistently.

SaveByRichter35
09-17-2014, 07:00 PM
So this afternoon while I was at the barber shop there was a guy in there whom worked for 94.3fm the Shark. He said he was at the MSGTC covering today's morning skate. Not that this is any news to those of you who've seen him play but he said Hayes was a beast. All over the place. Said he was very impressed. This season cannot get started soon enough.

Phil in Absentia
09-17-2014, 07:49 PM
What I'm saying is that you have to have a good number of young irons in the fire. Not that these guys need to play 82 but we need them to get their feet good and wet. The guys I pointed out on other teams will need to continue to develop for those teams to remain at the top of the league. Or at least most of them will.

That isn't to say you need it for a Cup, just saying we had it for a long while, from Staal all the way up to Krieder. And we had two solid runs in part because of it. I'd like to get another half dozen runs over the next decade. To do that, we'll need development of young talent consistently.

Sure, I agree. I just don't agree that you need two to three making your roster every year. I don't think any team in the league is that rich.

Captain Clutch
09-17-2014, 09:32 PM
I could see there being a lot of call ups though, especially if any vets just aren't working out.

thecurse0101
09-18-2014, 08:29 AM
Welcome to training camp!

AmericanJesus
09-18-2014, 08:47 AM
Sure, I agree. I just don't agree that you need two to three making your roster every year. I don't think any team in the league is that rich.

I don't think it's two to three every year. I think it's probably at least 1 1/2 a year on average. But we didn't add any last year (as I said, I see Miller as the year before). So I think adding two this year would be a good idea. I'd especially like to see a defender, as I think it's an area we should be able to save some money on without a drop off, considering our top 4 is very set and Klein doesn't look to be moving up the depth charts any time soon. Moore is in a shit or get off the pot spot for me. If he gets off the pot, then that's a young player we've essentially lost.

I look at our past and see this (25 plus games first seasons):

2006/2007 - Girardi
2007/2008 - Staal/Dubinsky/Callahan
2008/2009 - Korpikoski
2009/2010 - Del Zotto, Anisimov, Gilroy,
2010/2011 - Stepan, Sauer, McDonagh, MZA
2011/2012 - Hagelin, Mitchell, Bickel
2012/2013 - John Moore, J.T. Miller, Chris Kreider*
2013/2014 - None
2014/2015 ????

*Technically Kreider only played 23 regular season games, but also had 26 total playoff games by the end of the season.

Not all work out or stay, of course. Dubinsky, Callahan, Korpikoski, Del Zotto, Anismov, Gilroy, Sauer, Mitchell and Bickel have all moved on, but Girardi, Staal, Stepan, McDonagh, MZA, Hagelin and Kreider are core players, while Moore and J.T. Miller are working towards that goal.

So 1 to 4 rookies every year going back to 06/07. Then none last season, unless you count Talbot, but I can't see him having a future with us past this season. If you go with none or even only one this year, you're starting to reverse that trend. And the numbers we were able to add helped insulate us when guys left or were traded. And we managed to trade and get value of for most. We don't have Nash and St. Louis if not for this pattern.

Pete
09-18-2014, 08:55 AM
I don't think it's two to three every year. I think it's probably at least 1 1/2 a year on average. But we didn't add any last year (as I said, I see Miller as the year before). So I think adding two this year would be a good idea. I'd especially like to see a defender, as I think it's an area we should be able to save some money on without a drop off, considering our top 4 is very set and Klein doesn't look to be moving up the depth charts any time soon. Moore is in a shit or get off the pot spot for me. If he gets off the pot, then that's a young player we've essentially lost.

I look at our past and see this (25 plus games first seasons):

2006/2007 - Girardi
2007/2008 - Staal/Dubinsky/Callahan
2008/2009 - Korpikoski
2009/2010 - Del Zotto, Anisimov, Gilroy,
2010/2011 - Stepan, Sauer, McDonagh, MZA
2011/2012 - Hagelin, Mitchell, Bickel
2012/2013 - John Moore, J.T. Miller, Chris Kreider*
2013/2014 - None
2014/2015 ????

*Technically Kreider only played 23 regular season games, but also had 26 total playoff games by the end of the season.

Not all work out or stay, of course. Dubinsky, Callahan, Korpikoski, Del Zotto, Anismov, Gilroy, Sauer, Mitchell and Bickel have all moved on, but Girardi, Staal, Stepan, McDonagh, MZA, Hagelin and Kreider are core players, while Moore and J.T. Miller are working towards that goal.

So 1 to 4 rookies every year going back to 06/07. Then none last season, unless you count Talbot, but I can't see him having a future with us past this season. If you go with none or even only one this year, you're starting to reverse that trend. And the numbers we were able to add helped insulate us when guys left or were traded. And we managed to trade and get value of for most. We don't have Nash and St. Louis if not for this pattern.

AV prefers veteran teams.

Phil in Absentia
09-18-2014, 09:23 AM
I do count Talbot, as he beat out a veteran for his job — the exact path rookies should take to make the NHL. So he counts for last year in my eyes.

Of course if you are curious as to why none made the team, it may require a deeper look into what is actually available in the cupboards to call on. If I recall correctly, the Rangers' draft stock was ranked 28th or 29th in the NHL last season, so it stands to reason they had no stand-out players available to make that jump who actually deserved it.

When you don't have available options internally, you sign veterans to financially similar deals, and the Rangers did. Moore and Pouliot specifically.

Morphinity
09-18-2014, 09:44 AM
Today's the day! :happy: :happy: :happy:

AmericanJesus
09-18-2014, 10:15 AM
I do count Talbot, as he beat out a veteran for his job — the exact path rookies should take to make the NHL. So he counts for last year in my eyes.

Of course if you are curious as to why none made the team, it may require a deeper look into what is actually available in the cupboards to call on. If I recall correctly, the Rangers' draft stock was ranked 28th or 29th in the NHL last season, so it stands to reason they had no stand-out players available to make that jump who actually deserved it.

When you don't have available options internally, you sign veterans to financially similar deals, and the Rangers did. Moore and Pouliot specifically.

Sure, I get that for last year. Really, only Allen probably made a strong enough case for a longer look and I get developing him more given the depth we had on D at the time. My point isn't really what is, it's the danger of what may be if we continue that recent trend. If no prospects get significant time this year, we'll have a 2 year gap where no one besides Talbot came in on a cost controlled deal. Yes, you can juggle the reclamation projects year to year and hope you keep getting lucky, but I think infusing youth is the better course. You have to have that youth ready, but I'd think that given the number of options we have, we should be able to pencil 1-2 in this year.

AmericanJesus
09-18-2014, 10:21 AM
AV prefers veteran teams.

AV has plenty of veterans on the team. In fact, I'd say if guys like Malone and Lombardi make the team, we'll have too many. An AV seems fine with rookies/2nd year players when they're playing to his standard. Just looking at the lockout year, he certainly gave Shroeder, Kassian, Tanev and Weise 30+ games each when none had played more than 82 games before that season.

Slobberknocker
09-18-2014, 10:36 AM
who is the reliable source for camp news?

I'm really intrigued by this camp. If I'm a vet I'm taking nothing for granted. Given some of the lineups listed above it looks as if the line of thought is that only 1 or 2 jobs are available. If I'm a young guy in no way am i embracing that philosophy. My job is too give the coaches as tough a decision as possible.

I would hardly be surprised if there's not a surprise or two by the end of this camp that no one saw coming.

Phil in Absentia
09-18-2014, 10:43 AM
Sure, I get that for last year. Really, only Allen probably made a strong enough case for a longer look and I get developing him more given the depth we had on D at the time. My point isn't really what is, it's the danger of what may be if we continue that recent trend. If no prospects get significant time this year, we'll have a 2 year gap where no one besides Talbot came in on a cost controlled deal. Yes, you can juggle the reclamation projects year to year and hope you keep getting lucky, but I think infusing youth is the better course. You have to have that youth ready, but I'd think that given the number of options we have, we should be able to pencil 1-2 in this year.

I agree.

This is the price the Rangers (willingly) paid for a shot at the Cup, though, and they're slowly paying that price (of having given up so many draft selections in trades).

They're recouping it as best they can, and Hayes is a massive step forward that fell into their lap, but ultimately it's still going to take a few years to re-stock properly.


AV has plenty of veterans on the team. In fact, I'd say if guys like Malone and Lombardi make the team, we'll have too many. An AV seems fine with rookies/2nd year players when they're playing to his standard. Just looking at the lockout year, he certainly gave Shroeder, Kassian, Tanev and Weise 30+ games each when none had played more than 82 games before that season.

I don't think AV prefers "veteran" teams, per se, as much as he prefers teams who "get it". Like I said earlier, not all rookies are created equally, and a lot of youthful players are more synonymous with not getting it yet than they are with the type of energy that comes with fresh legs.

As for this current crop of players in camp, ultimately, I see him as a fair-is-fair coach, and the guys who earn spots will earn them, regardless of age or contract type (to an extent, since it's still a salary-capped league). My bet is you see at least one rookie (Hayes, Miller) making the team, with a couple of other players on the bubble (Fast, Allen, etc.).

Slobberknocker
09-18-2014, 11:00 AM
Sather went hard after the Haggerty, Hayes types etc... to try to circumvent the results of losing some youth in the trades we've made.

given the amount of vets/reclamations we've brought in I could see them getting first crack at things and give some of the youth time to develop.

However i continue to feel that these guys can crack the lineup with a strong camp. Was very happy to see the Hayes story above and that they are trying him at Center which is definately an area for improvement on this squad.

Captain Clutch
09-18-2014, 11:07 AM
who is the reliable source for camp news?

I'm really intrigued by this camp. If I'm a vet I'm taking nothing for granted. Given some of the lineups listed above it looks as if the line of thought is that only 1 or 2 jobs are available. If I'm a young guy in no way am i embracing that philosophy. My job is too give the coaches as tough a decision as possible.

I would hardly be surprised if there's not a surprise or two by the end of this camp that no one saw coming.

Any of the Rangers beat writers, Jim Cerny.

So Nashty
09-18-2014, 11:09 AM
I was expecting more news this morning

Captain Clutch
09-18-2014, 11:10 AM
I was expecting more news this morning

It's coming in slowly.
‏@NYRangers

#NYRTC officially underway with players undergoing physicals...Zucc walked into exam room wearing "GOON" hat! #somethingsneverchange

That's the most news i've seen so far

So Nashty
09-18-2014, 11:31 AM
Lmao gotta love zucc

Captain Clutch
09-18-2014, 11:44 AM
Press conference at noon will not be televised but I'm sure all the beat writers will be tweeting

Phil in Absentia
09-18-2014, 12:12 PM
:tweet: @HartnettHockey: #NYR head coach Alain Vigneault said he will start Kevin Hayes and J.T. Miller "in the middle" during training camp.

:tweet: @stevezipay: AV says team will open season with 13F and 7 D

:tweet: @AGrossRecord: AV would actually prefer 13 Fs, 8 Ds and 2 Gs but doesn't think salary cap budget will allow for that.

Captain Clutch
09-18-2014, 12:23 PM
Why do the Rangers always wait till after camp to name the captain?

AmericanJesus
09-18-2014, 12:39 PM
Why do the Rangers always wait till after camp to name the captain?

This time last year, there was no really strong indication that Callahan wouldn't be the captain again this season. By all accounts after Cally's departure, Richards assumed that role. Now he's gone. Assisting with camp is probably a part of a captain's job, so why not see how a candidate handles it prior to pinning the C on? No reason to rush the decision now.

Stripping a "C" off of the wrong candidate is one of the most difficult things a coach has to do in hockey. Most of the time, you trade that player rather than removing the "C". If it is McDonagh that ultimately gets the letter, I hope we don't have to end up in a situation like that. So take an extra couple of weeks to make sure.

Captain Clutch
09-18-2014, 12:41 PM
@HartnettHockey

Groups for tomorrow's on-ice testing. Group A will be on ice: 10:00–11:45, Group B: 12:15– 2:00, Group C: 2:15 –3:15. pic.twitter.com/YYQ8WuzJ0O

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx1E03SIMAA_zlq.jpg:large

Team C seems to be the one filled with players that probbaly won't make the Rangers.

Slobberknocker
09-18-2014, 04:22 PM
http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6597/next-rangers-captain-to-be-named-at-end-of-training-camp?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweets&utm_content=twitter_1411060104#.VBs94PldVqU

http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6598/clean-slates-still-in-vogue-for-the-rangers#.VBtANvldVqU

so i asked... so shall i post.

i really agree with the following quote from AV:

"There's some great internal competition for some spots," noted the head coach. "Up front we lost some very important players who had very important roles. I'm not saying we are going to structure the team the same way, we have to sort this out and decide what's best for this group. That's why we have training camp. We're going to let this unfold. I think everything is open."

This is a guy who gets it. He will work the system around the players not the players around the system. I think the most successful coaches do this.

I also like that AV doesnt think there's only one or two spots up for grabs this year.

phillyb™
09-18-2014, 11:09 PM
can't fucking wait for hockey season!

Respecttheblue
09-19-2014, 12:02 AM
http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6597/next-rangers-captain-to-be-named-at-end-of-training-camp?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweets&utm_content=twitter_1411060104#.VBs94PldVqU

http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6598/clean-slates-still-in-vogue-for-the-rangers#.VBtANvldVqU

so i asked... so shall i post.

i really agree with the following quote from AV:

"There's some great internal competition for some spots," noted the head coach. "Up front we lost some very important players who had very important roles. I'm not saying we are going to structure the team the same way, we have to sort this out and decide what's best for this group. That's why we have training camp. We're going to let this unfold. I think everything is open."

This is a guy who gets it. He will work the system around the players not the players around the system. I think the most successful coaches do this.

I also like that AV doesnt think there's only one or two spots up for grabs this year.

Nice post Slobsie!

Agree with the line of though on AV.
Thread has me drooling for want of camp coverage. That shit I could watch hours of video of if I had the time. Love to see how the prospects go about their business.



@HartnettHockey


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx1E03SIMAA_zlq.jpg:large

Team C seems to be the one filled with players that probbaly won't make the Rangers.


Pretty clear C is the tadpole group.

Phil in Absentia
09-19-2014, 12:30 PM
:tweet: @HartnettHockey: #NYR d-man Dan Boyle: "I'm not here to just fade away into the sunset. I'm here to win."

So Nashty
09-19-2014, 12:34 PM
Its all talk until it happens. But still nice to hear.

Morphinity
09-19-2014, 12:43 PM
https://vine.co/v/OWFKxUWaExJ

Holy wind up, Batman. Got some work to do there, Marty.

Slobberknocker
09-19-2014, 01:18 PM
doesn't he practice that shot daily, like 100 x?

stupid question: do we get monday's game on msg against the dev's?

Phil in Absentia
09-19-2014, 01:18 PM
doesn't he practice that shot daily, like 100 x?

stupid question: do we get monday's game on msg against the dev's?

Yes.

All six pre-season games will air.

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/schedule.htm?gameType=1&season=20142015

Morphinity
09-19-2014, 01:21 PM
Yes.

All six pre-season games will air.

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/schedule.htm?gameType=1&season=20142015

Holy shit, there's a game Monday. HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

EdMc28
09-19-2014, 01:23 PM
The new guys can't get practice jerseys?

Not sure if anyone answered this but they wore their game jerseys the other day so the Rangers could get pictures of them in game stuff to use in various promotional things.

Pete
09-19-2014, 01:55 PM
Not sure if anyone answered this but they wore their game jerseys the other day so the Rangers could get pictures of them in game stuff to use in various promotional things.

Lee Stempniak promotions? Where's the info coming from, if may ask?

CreaseCrusader91
09-19-2014, 02:12 PM
Lee Stempniak promotions? Where's the info coming from, if may ask?
Promotional items I take as yearbook, programs, and other stuff like that.

Phil in Absentia
09-19-2014, 02:14 PM
Gianonne was tweeting out program photo shoot snapshots yesterday, I know. Maybe it was just for that?

https://twitter.com/jaygeemsg/status/512679108103647232

Slobberknocker
09-19-2014, 02:57 PM
Morph's response made me laugh.

Captain Clutch
09-19-2014, 03:31 PM
Holy shit, there's a game Monday. HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

I'm feeling the same way. It feels so close yet so far. I can't wait

EdMc28
09-19-2014, 09:17 PM
Lee Stempniak promotions? Where's the info coming from, if may ask?

All of the new guys have done it during camp. I remember Gross specifically talking about Richards and Nash wearing their game jerseys the first year they were on the team so the Rangers could get shots of them in action for the scoreboard, media guide, etc.

Pete
09-19-2014, 09:18 PM
All of the new guys have done it during camp. I remember Gross specifically talking about Richards and Nash wearing their game jerseys the first year they were on the team so the Rangers could get shots of them in action for the scoreboard, media guide, etc.

Yea, but those were big ticket guys, you know?

EdMc28
09-19-2014, 09:20 PM
Yea, but those were big ticket guys, you know?

That's true but everyone ends up in the media guide, and in the pre game videos and whatnot.

Pete
09-19-2014, 09:21 PM
That's true but everyone ends up in the media guide, and in the pre game videos and whatnot.

Yea, you might be right. Good call.

Slobberknocker
09-20-2014, 08:24 AM
AV's Friday Presser

Good stuff at 3:28 talking about connor allen playing a bit feisty against Brass:

http://blueshirtsunited.com/videos/6610/vigneault-discusses-day-1-of-training-camp#.VB1wEvldVqU

Drew a Penalty
09-21-2014, 10:00 AM
Scrimmage will be streamed today at 11 on Blueshirts United.

Drew a Penalty
09-21-2014, 11:16 AM
Given the first few minutes of this stream, I hope Cerny never gets into commentating. Boy is he bad.

josh
09-21-2014, 12:46 PM
Pretty uneventful, typical training camp scrimmage. Vets treat it like a skate-n-shoot, tweeners "stand out", ahl players look like ahl players and expected cuts look like expected cuts. Still great to see some hockey!

Myusername
09-21-2014, 01:06 PM
Most of the players vying for a spot look good. Impressed by Duclair... doesn't look out of place

RichieNextel305
09-21-2014, 01:09 PM
Duclair looks good. Lombardi and St. Louis look like they're flying too.

Myusername
09-21-2014, 01:17 PM
Miller is going to make the team, no doubt about it. Looks hungry as hell

Lt. Dan
09-21-2014, 01:24 PM
Miller is going to make the team, no doubt about it. Looks hungry as hell

:thumbs:

Captain Clutch
09-21-2014, 01:25 PM
Hayes has looked hard to knock off the puck.

Captain Clutch
09-21-2014, 01:27 PM
"Ryan Nash". Cerny is catching the Rosen bug

RichieNextel305
09-21-2014, 01:30 PM
Miller and Hayes both looked solid.

Captain Clutch
09-21-2014, 02:33 PM
Roster for tomorrow's game is Team A from camp.

That's Forwards: Ryan Bourque, Fast, Glass, Hagelin, Kreider, Kirsto, Lombardi, Malone, Miller, Mueller, St. Louis, Stepan(out with foot injury)
Defense: Boyle, Kampfer, Kostka, Mantha, J. Moore, Noreau, Staal, Zamorsky
Goalies: Lundqvist, Skapski

MXRider
09-21-2014, 02:46 PM
Guess that's another game with no captain

Drew a Penalty
09-21-2014, 02:55 PM
Roster for tomorrow's game is Team A from camp.

That's Forwards: Ryan Bourque, Fast, Glass, Hagelin, Kreider, Kirsto, Lombardi, Malone, Miller, Mueller, St. Louis, Stepan(out with foot injury)
Defense: Boyle, Kampfer, Kostka, Mantha, J. Moore, Noreau, Staal, Zamorsky
Goalies: Lundqvist, Skapski

I'm guessing Yogan fills in for Stepan again.

Drew a Penalty
09-21-2014, 02:56 PM
Guess that's another game with no captain

Not really like having one in preseason matters much.

Captain Clutch
09-21-2014, 04:15 PM
AV will probably just have 3 A's or name a random captain for the game

Respecttheblue
09-21-2014, 04:21 PM
Miller is going to make the team, no doubt about it. Looks hungry as hell

I'll take you at your word; thanks for the update. I gotta go to Blueshytes Uninvited to check the videos I guessum.


Not really like having one in preseason matters much.

Exactly it don't mean doodley. He's on record as saying he'd wait and see what camp brings, anyway.

EdMc28
09-21-2014, 04:51 PM
Hope Hayes takes Stepan's spot tomorrow night.

Drew a Penalty
09-21-2014, 05:23 PM
Hope Hayes takes Stepan's spot tomorrow night.
He centered Kreider and Kristo today so I can't see why he wouldn't tomorrow.

Myusername
09-21-2014, 09:40 PM
I'm still shocked at how huge Hayes is. I really hope he pans out as we're pretty damn thin down the middle. Having someone with his size and playmaking ability will add another dimension to this team. No offense to Boyle, but his offensive abilities left a lot to the imagination

Phil in Absentia
09-22-2014, 11:46 AM
:tweet: @AGrossRecord: #NYR preseason goalie sked: Lundqvist gets 2 full games and 2 half games. Talbot gets1 full game, 2 halves. Desjardins gets 1 game.

Captain Clutch
09-22-2014, 12:32 PM
They added a rookie game on Wednesday as well. No idea if televised or against who.

Slobberknocker
09-23-2014, 10:44 AM
read in the daily news that there will be a round of cuts after last nites and the next game.

anyone else see this? seems like a short time to make an impression but guess longer term plans hold here.

Pete
09-23-2014, 10:58 AM
read in the daily news that there will be a round of cuts after last nites and the next game.

anyone else see this? seems like a short time to make an impression but guess longer term plans hold here.

There are a good amount of guys we know aren't making the team. Why waste time working with them?

AmericanJesus
09-23-2014, 11:31 AM
There are a good amount of guys we know aren't making the team. Why waste time working with them?

Well you want these guys to go back to their clubs with a sense of what they need to do to make it one day and also to have a good sense of what camp is. I trust the staff to know when that is.

Pete
09-23-2014, 11:46 AM
Well you want these guys to go back to their clubs with a sense of what they need to do to make it one day and also to have a good sense of what camp is. I trust the staff to know when that is.

Take a look at this list. More than a few names —*It just doesn't matter.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx1E03SIMAA_zlq.jpg:large

Phil in Absentia
09-23-2014, 11:47 AM
The training camp roster will be pared down following Wednesday’s rookie game against the Devils (in New Jersey) with many prospects being returned to their junior teams. Anthony Duclair, however, will get a chance to play in Friday’s preseason game at Chicago, per Vigneault.

Vigneault added he hopes to get the roster down to around 30 following back-to-back preseason games against the Flyers next Monday and Tuesday, after which the Rangers will have two more preseason games left.

http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/centers_in_focus_tonight_vs._devils/

Captain Clutch
09-23-2014, 12:19 PM
Not surprised they want to get a better look at Duclair. Team C will probably play tomorrow

Respecttheblue
09-23-2014, 12:42 PM
The training camp roster will be pared down following Wednesday’s rookie game against the Devils (in New Jersey) with many prospects being returned to their junior teams. Anthony Duclair, however, will get a chance to play in Friday’s preseason game at Chicago, per Vigneault.

Vigneault added he hopes to get the roster down to around 30 following back-to-back preseason games against the Flyers next Monday and Tuesday, after which the Rangers will have two more preseason games left.
http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/r...ht_vs._devils/
http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/centers_in_focus_tonight_vs._devils/

Fingers crossed, I "have a bead (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/draw+a+bead+on)" on tickets for that Oct. 3, Chicago game.
Perversely I'm just as excited to see Chicago; hope Toews, Kane and the crew are in the lineup, but something tells me they might be giving some hot young/on the bubble players a last look, too.

So Nashty
09-24-2014, 09:30 AM
This has to be the quietest training camp I have ever experienced. There is usually a lot more info coming out, no?

I know they had their charity golf game the other day but still...

Morphinity
09-24-2014, 09:43 AM
This has to be the quietest training camp I have ever experienced. There is usually a lot more info coming out, no?

I know they had their charity golf game the other day but still...

Well, I mean they had their first game Monday, and then the golf outing yesterday. Not much to discuss.

I think today is the rookie game.

momentum
09-24-2014, 09:45 AM
Would be interesting with Nash and Malone on the same line, maybe with Miller centering them? Def a line I would like to try.

thecurse0101
09-24-2014, 09:48 AM
Well, I mean they had their first game Monday, and then the golf outing yesterday. Not much to discuss.

I think today is the rookie game.

The game isn't televised but hockeystreams has a live stream for 11:30 called "rangers training camp live" I'm thinking this might be the game.

Morphinity
09-24-2014, 09:59 AM
The game isn't televised but hockeystreams has a live stream for 11:30 called "rangers training camp live" I'm thinking this might be the game.

<3 Hockeystreams

thecurse0101
09-24-2014, 11:43 AM
<3 Hockeystreams

MSG cancelled this stream last minute

Captain Clutch
09-24-2014, 11:46 AM
MSG cancelled this stream last minute

I saw

Phil in Absentia
09-24-2014, 01:26 PM
:tweet: @AGrossRecord: Also, first roster cuts upcoming later today after Rangers-Devils rookie scrimmage.

--

Would imagine this will be composed almost entirely of Junior-eligible players being returned to their Junior teams.

SyKeS
09-24-2014, 02:39 PM
:tweet: @AGrossRecord: Also, first roster cuts upcoming later today after Rangers-Devils rookie scrimmage.

--

Would imagine this will be composed almost entirely of Junior-eligible players being returned to their Junior teams.

Any idea when this game kicks off & which players are playing?

Phil in Absentia
09-24-2014, 02:43 PM
Any idea when this game kicks off & which players are playing?

It's actually taking place now in New Jersey. I believe the "C" group (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx1E03SIMAA_zlq.jpg:large) of players are all participating, but nothing is really being televised or covered from it.

Captain Clutch
09-24-2014, 02:46 PM
It's actually taking place now in New Jersey. I believe the "C" group (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx1E03SIMAA_zlq.jpg:large) of players are all participating, but nothing is really being televised or covered from it.

I'm a bit surprised none of the beat writers are there

Phil in Absentia
09-24-2014, 02:55 PM
I'm a bit surprised none of the beat writers are there

It's basically just a scrimmage, from what I've read. The Isles, and another team had one yesterday as well that none of their beat writers attended either.

Captain Clutch
09-24-2014, 03:10 PM
I'd still like to know who played and won.

AmericanJesus
09-24-2014, 04:25 PM
:tweet: ‏@HartnettHockey Nickolas Latta and Kevin Hayes scored in today's AHL/rookie scrimmage against the Devils in Newark. Rangers lost 5-2.

Captain Clutch
09-24-2014, 04:30 PM
Cut em all!

AmericanJesus
09-24-2014, 04:33 PM
Cut em all!

Probably all of them but Hayes.

Captain Clutch
09-24-2014, 05:11 PM
New York Rangers ‏@NYRangers 9m

OFFICIAL: #NYR reassigned 20 players from #NYRTC roster. 12 will report to @WolfPackAHL; 6 to Juniors.

Sean Hartnett ‏@HartnettHockey 8m

Rangers send Donnay, Kantor, Latta, Leroux, McCarthy, Nejezchleb, Nelson, Nicholls, Noreau, Skapski, St. Croix, and Yogan to AHL Harford.

Sean Hartnett ‏@HartnettHockey 7m

Rangers send Ryan Graves, Brandon Halverson, Keegan Iverson, Ryan Mantha, Adam Tambellini + Daniel Walcott to their respective junior teams.

Valentine and Burns released from tryouts.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByU8oVdCQAEQSLH.jpg
That's who's left, from Hartnett

Morphinity
09-24-2014, 05:16 PM
No real surprises. Next round of cuts will probably have a surprise or two.

Captain Clutch
09-24-2014, 05:17 PM
For sure, although I'd like to see Bodie play.

thecurse0101
09-25-2014, 08:24 AM
Will mcilrath ever break the nhl as full time? I'm getting doubtful

Pete
09-25-2014, 08:55 AM
At this point, it's a long shot. I'd be happy if he even made it to the NHL as a 6th or 7th.

Very telling that the organization keeps bringing in D and he isn't even mentioned as in the running for 7th D.

That said, it's really early in camp to say any thing about any one. He may impress.

No doubt a waste of an early pick, though.

DiJock94
09-25-2014, 09:40 AM
Doubt they would waste the 7th defenseman spot on such a young guy when he can be playing top minutes in the A. Same goes for Allen

Pete
09-25-2014, 09:58 AM
Doubt they would waste the 7th defenseman spot on such a young guy when he can be playing top minutes in the A. Same goes for Allen

There's nothing wrong with bringing a defenseman along slowly.

I feel like this is the default answer ("He could be playing top minutes in the A"). But in reality, he needs more development, that's why he isn't being talked about. He was drafted almost 5 years ago and hasn't shown optimal progression. There are reasons for that (mostly injury), but strictly speaking to see him this year for any extended period, IMO, isn't very likely.

DiJock94
09-25-2014, 10:32 AM
There's nothing wrong with bringing a defenseman along slowly.

I feel like this is the default answer ("He could be playing top minutes in the A"). But in reality, he needs more development, that's why he isn't being talked about. He was drafted almost 5 years ago and hasn't shown optimal progression. There are reasons for that (mostly injury), but strictly speaking to see him this year for any extended period, IMO, isn't very likely.

I agree with you but that is only in part because there is no chance he could unseat Klein Boyle or Girardi. Definitely not a knock on Mcilrath our defense is just the deepest it's ever been.

Pete
09-25-2014, 10:43 AM
I agree with you but that is only in part because there is no chance he could unseat Klein Boyle or Girardi. Definitely not a knock on Mcilrath our defense is just the deepest it's ever been.

Klein is not a good value as a 3rd pairing guy. You'd want McIlrath to step in there and save us some needed cap space and a contract slot. But he's unreliable and therefore can't be paired with the other unreliable guy, Moore. He won't be able to unseat Boyle, G or Klein this year or next. He's 22 now...So 24 year old rookie? That's a long wait for a guy who probably is going to be a bottom 4...Bottom pairing more likely.

Captain Clutch
09-25-2014, 10:56 AM
The only things I'e heard about McIlrath is that last year was his first full pro season, had injuries before, being careful with him.

DiJock94
09-25-2014, 12:04 PM
Klein is not a good value as a 3rd pairing guy. You'd want McIlrath to step in there and save us some needed cap space and a contract slot. But he's unreliable and therefore can't be paired with the other unreliable guy, Moore. He won't be able to unseat Boyle, G or Klein this year or next. He's 22 now...So 24 year old rookie? That's a long wait for a guy who probably is going to be a bottom 4...Bottom pairing more likely.

I don't care what Klein gets paid. Right now we are cap compliant and there are three better defensemen than McIlrath. Next year if we are in a cap crunch and they move Klein maybe "The Undertaker" will be ready to be our 6th defenseman., it wouldn't shock me with another year of pro hockey under his belt as a top line minor leaguer.

Pete
09-25-2014, 12:24 PM
I don't care what Klein gets paid. Right now we are cap compliant and there are three better defensemen than McIlrath. Next year if we are in a cap crunch and they move Klein maybe "The Undertaker" will be ready to be our 6th defenseman., it wouldn't shock me with another year of pro hockey under his belt as a top line minor leaguer.

Well, you should care what Klein makes because being in a cap/contract # squeeze means we are specifically looking at internal options to replace Stepan.

AmericanJesus
09-25-2014, 12:24 PM
I don't care what Klein gets paid. Right now we are cap compliant and there are three better defensemen than McIlrath. Next year if we are in a cap crunch and they move Klein maybe "The Undertaker" will be ready to be our 6th defenseman., it wouldn't shock me with another year of pro hockey under his belt as a top line minor leaguer.

Cap compliant isn't good enough for a Cup contender. You need to be banking cap space for deadline rentals. Being $1.25m under the cap all season creates around $6m worth of space at the deadline. That type of flexibility let's you bring in a Gaborik type at the deadline.

Vodka Drunkenski
09-25-2014, 12:29 PM
I don't see how we can count on McIlrath turning into anything at this point.

DiJock94
09-25-2014, 01:14 PM
I can he has only played one pro season. And McIlrath isn't ready this year thats why we have Klein. If Allen were a right handed shot I bet Klein would be gone but we have depth at defense this year. Maybe Mcilrath will be ready next year if he is Klein can go and there is your cap space. Or maybe he's even ready by this deadline by some odd miracle and then you move Klein in a deadline deal. There are possibilities.

Phil in Absentia
09-25-2014, 01:46 PM
:tweet: @stevezipay: Expected #NYR lines in Chi: Nash-Brassard-Duclair; Bourque-Miller-Zuccarello; Hrivik-Lindberg-Stempniak; Tarnasky-DMoore-Haggerty

:tweet: @stevezipay: Probable #NYR D in Chi: McDonagh-McIlrath; Girardi-JMoore, Klein-Allen. Goalies: Lundqvist, Desjardins

--

Looks like McIlrath and Duclair will be getting big looks here.

Pete
09-25-2014, 01:59 PM
I can he has only played one pro season. And McIlrath isn't ready this year thats why we have Klein. If Allen were a right handed shot I bet Klein would be gone but we have depth at defense this year. Maybe Mcilrath will be ready next year if he is Klein can go and there is your cap space. Or maybe he's even ready by this deadline by some odd miracle and then you move Klein in a deadline deal. There are possibilities.

2 pro seasons where he couldn't get through 82 games...Again, stalling development.

SyKeS
09-25-2014, 02:18 PM
:tweet: @stevezipay: Expected #NYR lines in Chi: Nash-Brassard-Duclair; Bourque-Miller-Zuccarello; Hrivik-Lindberg-Stempniak; Tarnasky-DMoore-Haggerty

:tweet: @stevezipay: Probable #NYR D in Chi: McDonagh-McIlrath; Girardi-JMoore, Klein-Allen. Goalies: Lundqvist, Desjardins

--

Looks like McIlrath and Duclair will be getting big looks here.

It appears Bourque is too... Wonder if he has a legit chance. I guess anyone does at this point....

DiJock94
09-25-2014, 02:33 PM
It appears Bourque is too... Wonder if he has a legit chance. I guess anyone does at this point....

I think that's Chris bourque, Ryan bourque played first game.

Morphinity
09-25-2014, 02:33 PM
I think that's Chris bourque, Ryan bourque played first game.

Yeah, you're probably right. He has more NHL experience than the other rookies.

momentum
09-25-2014, 04:32 PM
duclair and nash on a line....sweet!

fletch
09-25-2014, 05:14 PM
duclair and nash on a line....sweet!

My brain hurts...good time of year to mix things up.

The Dude
09-25-2014, 07:43 PM
Sucks theres such little faith in Mcllrath around here.

I hope he gets big minutes on Friday, and shows hes not so bad at all.

Im calling it. Hes gonna score a goal.

Kevin
09-25-2014, 07:50 PM
I really hate giving up on high draft picks (I guess that goes for pretty much everyone) but it seems as if there is not much chatter among the coaching staff about him this year. I really don't care if he scores or not. I'd like to see a well-positioned game with the mean streak that he is known for. Also want to see solid, decisive, break-out passes.

Phil in Absentia
09-26-2014, 03:08 PM
:tweet: @NYP_Brooksie: Ryan Malone not skating. "Day to day" with hip flexor per #NYR

Kevin
09-26-2014, 03:13 PM
:tweet: @NYP_Brooksie: Ryan Malone not skating. "Day to day" with hip flexor per #NYR

Was he supposed to dress for the game tonight anyway?

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 03:16 PM
Was he supposed to dress for the game tonight anyway?

No, he wasn't scheduled to play until Monday, likely.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 03:33 PM
I won't give it a new thread:

http://nypost.com/2014/09/25/stepan-injury-could-mean-more-playing-time-for-youngster-hayes/


Included in the fallout from Derek Stepan’s fractured left fibula that will sideline the Rangers’ first-line center for approximately the first month of the season is this seemingly contradictory proposition: that this additional opening in the middle most likely means Kevin Hayes’ best chance of making the club will be as a right wing.

Because presuming that J.T. Miller, the only forward from Monday’s 5-4 Garden defeat to the Devils also is in the lineup for Friday’s preseason match in Chicago, plays well enough to nail down a spot, the odds seem mighty long indeed on coach Alain Vigneault opening with a pair of neophytes at center.

I don't see how that makes any sense at all.

First, Hayes might be playing in this game as well if he hadn't played in the rookie tourney on Wednesday and also if he hadn't just shunned Chicago by not signing with them after being drafted. I'd imagine as soon as Hayes was signed, this game was off limits for that reason. There's absolutely no sense in exposing him to angry fans in Chicago in the preseason while trying to judge his abiltiy.

Second, we're likely going to put one of our existing top RW from last season on the left because of how much depth we have there:

Nash
MSL
MZA
Malone
Stempniak
Fast
Haggerty

While MZA was a LW prior to last year, he hit a career high in points, leading the team, on the right. Hayes likely won't or at least shouldn't be used on the fourth line, so he'd be trying to earn a third line RW spot if he's not playing center. That means he has to hope one of the top 3 RW can switch to LW and then he also has to beat out three of Malone, Stempniak, Fast and Haggerty, where all but Haggerty could play on the fourth line if necessary.

Hayes' best chance would be to win a center spot and he can do that if either he or both he and Miller are too good to pass up. With Stepan down, the only veteran center option we have is Lombardi. If he doesn't prove himself ready, AV will be forced to go with two young centers regardless. Lets not forget, too, that Hayes is 22 and Lindberg is almost 23. They're not 20 year old rookies the way Miller was.

Myusername
09-26-2014, 03:59 PM
Good point about Hayes playing in Chicago... bet that had at least something to do with him being left off

To me, Miller has made the team already. At least he's going to be there opening night, and further until he gives the coaches a reason to send him down.

AmericanJesus
09-26-2014, 04:59 PM
Good point about Hayes playing in Chicago... bet that had at least something to do with him being left off

To me, Miller has made the team already. At least he's going to be there opening night, and further until he gives the coaches a reason to send him down.

With Stepan down, I wouldn't argue with that. He'd have to play pretty bad from this point out to lose his spot.

Pete
09-26-2014, 05:26 PM
I don't think they are worried about "hiding" Hayes, TBH.

torontonyr
09-27-2014, 10:34 AM
I don't think they are worried about "hiding" Hayes, TBH.

Without being privy to the actual reason, obviously, I'd chalk it up to National Hockey League "respect".

AmericanJesus
09-28-2014, 08:13 PM
All kinds of reports from twitter beat writers. Lombardi out indefinitely with strained groin. Malone also day to day and won't play next two games. With Stepan also out, kids have a much better chance of sticking early.

Respecttheblue
09-28-2014, 08:20 PM
I can he has only played one pro season. And McIlrath isn't ready this year thats why we have Klein. If Allen were a right handed shot I bet Klein would be gone but we have depth at defense this year. Maybe Mcilrath will be ready next year if he is Klein can go and there is your cap space. Or maybe he's even ready by this deadline by some odd miracle and then you move Klein in a deadline deal. There are possibilities.

Good points. I'm still hopeful McIlrath can contribute in the next few years.

Respecttheblue
09-28-2014, 08:20 PM
All kinds of reports from twitter beat writers. Lombardi out indefinitely with strained groin. Malone also day to day and won't play next two games. With Stepan also out, kids have a much better chance of sticking early.

Things taking an interesting turn.

Cash or Czech?
09-29-2014, 01:21 PM
All kinds of reports from twitter beat writers. Lombardi out indefinitely with strained groin. Malone also day to day and won't play next two games. With Stepan also out, kids have a much better chance of sticking early.

Not as big of an opportunity as when Callahan and Hagelin were out last season to start the year, but the prospect talent is arguably a lot better. Hopefully one or two of them (Hayes, Fast, maybe even Kristo?) make a big enough impact to force their way onto the team full time.

So Nashty
09-29-2014, 09:37 PM
Not as big of an opportunity as when Callahan and Hagelin were out last season to start the year, but the prospect talent is arguably a lot better. Hopefully one or two of them (Hayes, Fast, maybe even Kristo?) make a big enough impact to force their way onto the team full time.


Havent heard Kristo's name at all this training camp/pre season. How many games has he played?

momentum
09-30-2014, 06:46 AM
Really hope Haggerty makes the team, he belongs in the NHL imo.
Duclair = can't remember when I saw a young guy who I was so sure would become an impact player in the NHL. If it was up to me this guy would stay. brings so much energy.
Loved the team like it was last night, just FUN.

lefty9
09-30-2014, 10:12 AM
Sucks theres such little faith in Mcllrath around here.

I hope he gets big minutes on Friday, and shows hes not so bad at all.

Im calling it. Hes gonna score a goal.i have faith in Dylan , I think he is going to turn out fine

Slobberknocker
09-30-2014, 11:03 AM
said it in the other thread. let him develop in the AHL another year. This team will benefit so much if one of the youngsters can take staal's job next year.

Cash or Czech?
09-30-2014, 01:47 PM
Havent heard Kristo's name at all this training camp/pre season. How many games has he played?

Not the main focus of the post. Hayes and Fast have had impacts so far, albeit in preseason games against non-NHL competition. But them being noticeable, in addition to Miller's upped work ethic and on-ice effort, means that there are some guys who could force these vets out.

Kevin
09-30-2014, 02:40 PM
I gotta think that Haggerty's growth makes Kristo less note-worthy.

MacTruck
09-30-2014, 03:15 PM
said it in the other thread. let him develop in the AHL another year. This team will benefit so much if one of the youngsters can take staal's job next year.

s k j e i

Bretzky
10-01-2014, 02:54 AM
s k j e i

w i l l

not be ready to step right into MARC STAAL's ROLE next season.

So Nashty
10-01-2014, 09:39 AM
Sam kept saying cuts would be made right after the game during last nights broadcast.. I was expecting to wake up to some news.


This will be intriguing. Probably the most competitive camp I have ever witnessed in terms of how many possible candidates there are for each spot.

Phil in Absentia
10-01-2014, 10:15 AM
Sam kept saying cuts would be made right after the game during last nights broadcast.. I was expecting to wake up to some news. This will be intriguing. Probably the most competitive camp I have ever witnessed in terms of how many possible candidates there are for each spot.

AV said after that they'd happen today.

So Nashty
10-01-2014, 10:19 AM
Ahh must have missed that.

AmericanJesus
10-01-2014, 10:22 AM
AV said after that they'd happen today.

From what I recall from last night, the cuts were supposed to be announced prior to today's practice.

Phil in Absentia
10-01-2014, 10:26 AM
From what I recall from last night, the cuts were supposed to be announced prior to today's practice.

Yup, that's what I remember as well.

Drew a Penalty
10-01-2014, 10:40 AM
Going to guess that Potulny, Tarnasky, R. Bourque, C. Bourque, Kristo, Mueller, Bodie, Zamorsky, Hughes and Kampfer are among those cut along with both AHL goalies.

Captain Clutch
10-01-2014, 11:09 AM
Zamorsky will go back to the Czech league then and try again in NY next year. I don't think he has any interest in playing AHL hockey

SyKeS
10-01-2014, 11:37 AM
Going to guess that Potulny, Tarnasky, R. Bourque, C. Bourque, Kristo, Mueller, Bodie, Zamorsky, Hughes and Kampfer are among those cut along with both AHL goalies.

You think Mueller is gone? I think he's been a cut above Lindberg in my opinion.

Captain Clutch
10-01-2014, 11:44 AM
According to Zipay so far Hayes, Duclair, Haggerty, Hrivik still around. Ryan Bourque heading to Hartford.

Drew a Penalty
10-01-2014, 11:45 AM
You think Mueller is gone? I think he's been a cut above Lindberg in my opinion.

I was down to him and Hrivik. I think somehow he just makes it unless they cut Hayes over him

AmericanJesus
10-01-2014, 11:55 AM
:tweet: Andrew Gross ‏@AGrossRecord 4m4 minutes ago Dylan McIlrath heading onto the ice, too.

AmericanJesus
10-01-2014, 11:56 AM
Ok, too many tweets to post them all, I'll just add people as they're spotted and also the locks that we all know are safe:

Forwards (15):
Nash
Stepan
Hagelin
Brassard
Kreider
MZA
MSL
Glass
Duclair
Miller
Mueller
Fast
Malone
Hayes
Lindberg
Malone

Defense (10):
McDonagh
Girardi
Staal
Boyle
Klein
Moore
Kostka
McIlrath
Kampfer
Hunwick

Most notable missing so far:
Conor Allen

Captain Clutch
10-01-2014, 11:57 AM
Ok, too many tweets to post them all, I'll just add people as they're spotted:

Forwards:
Duclair
Miller
Mueller
Fast
Malone
Hayes
Lindberg

Defense:
Kostka
McIlrath
Kampfer
Hunwick

Rangers doing something unique in having the writers and fans figure out who's been cut by showing who's still there.

SyKeS
10-01-2014, 11:59 AM
Maybe they want to finish their exit interviews before they officially annouce the cuts? Might just be a respect thing?

AmericanJesus
10-01-2014, 12:01 PM
Ok, here's the official list:

:tweet: New York Rangers ‏@NYRangers OFFICIAL: #NYR reassign nine to @WolfPackAHL including Allen, Bodie, C. Bourque, R. Bourque, Hughes, Kristo, Missiaen, Tarnasky & Zamorsky.

:tweet: Andrew Gross ‏@AGrossRecord 18 Fs: Nash, Lindberg, Glass, Mueller, MSL, Hayes, Glass, Malone, Brass, Duclair, Fast, DMoore, Miller, Kreider, Zucc, Hags, Hrivik Haggerty

:tweet: Andrew Gross ‏@AGrossRecord 10 D-men: Hunwick, Kostka, Kampfer, Boyle, Girardi, Klein, McIlrath, JMoore, Staal, McDonagh

:tweet: Andrew Gross ‏@AGrossRecord Two goalies: Lundqvist, Talbot

Gross has Glass listed twice. Perhaps one is supposed to be Stempniak. Stepan and Lombardi might be considered injured, so not
listed.

:tweet: Andrew Gross ‏@AGrossRecord Forgot to include Stempniak among the 18 forwards, had Glass in twice. Sorry for confusion.


From Sean Hartnett:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By3508TCMAAQcPB.jpg

So Nashty
10-01-2014, 12:02 PM
Ok nothing unexpected.

Drew a Penalty
10-01-2014, 12:03 PM
I'm shocked to see Allen cut, but I guess it means we're definitely seeing Hunwick/Kostka as the 7th D. Odds were against him beating out Moore.

JOHN
10-01-2014, 12:04 PM
He didn't have a very good camp, I think he still has first call up potential however.

jjweimar
10-01-2014, 12:06 PM
so Stepniak and Lombardi are being put on waivers I take it?

NYR2711
10-01-2014, 12:07 PM
w i l l

not be ready to step right into MARC STAAL's ROLE next season.

This, I don't even want him in the NHL next year. Id rather see him develop in the AHL for a season rather than rush him in.

jjweimar
10-01-2014, 12:07 PM
Nevermind...full roster still up here...

http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6699/rangers-reduce-roster-to-34-as-nine-reassigned-to-hartford#.VCwmpfldX28

NYR2711
10-01-2014, 12:10 PM
Im kind of hoping that Fast and Haggerty make it onto the team. I have been impressed with both of them this camp.

Phil in Absentia
10-01-2014, 12:12 PM
so Stepniak and Lombardi are being put on waivers I take it?

Not yet, no. They remain with the Rangers still.

The only players cut (and re-assigned to Hartford) were Allen, Bodie, both Bourques, Hughes, Kristo, Missiaen, Tarnasky and Zamorsky.

JOHN
10-01-2014, 12:20 PM
Dat Duclair doe.

Slobberknocker
10-01-2014, 12:22 PM
good opportunity for the low end dee men to step up here. thought Hunwick didnt look bad last night.

CreaseCrusader91
10-01-2014, 12:28 PM
Dat Duclair doe.

I wonder how far he goes. Interested to see how long he can sustain, and if he tails off if they keep him for same 20-30 games.

momentum
10-01-2014, 12:35 PM
Im kind of hoping that Fast and Haggerty make it onto the team. I have been impressed with both of them this camp.Agreed especially Haggerty, I want Duclair and Haggerty and Miller on the team. I would also pick Fast but wouldn't cry if he get sent down.

JOHN
10-01-2014, 12:37 PM
I wonder how far he goes. Interested to see how long he can sustain, and if he tails off if they keep him for same 20-30 games.

I think you either keep him or you don't. He's not putting up 70 points this year. He's not scoring 30. What he is doing is adding youth and talent to your lineup. As long as he's effective and keeps making plays, him being here is a good thing. We have the right vets who can guide him (Marty, Boyle, Staal, McD, Nash to a degree) and the right seasoned players to put him in a positive state of mind on and off the ice (Zucc, Hagelin). This team is ready to foster some youth and development, but it needs to be at the right level of ability. Duclair certainly has shown to have that kind of ability, and it helps that he is a very good fit for AV's system.

momentum
10-01-2014, 12:46 PM
They want to make money don't they? Keep Duclair on, his jersey will sell like crazy...

lefty9
10-01-2014, 12:59 PM
They want to make money don't they? Keep Duclair on, his jersey will sell like crazy...

As long as he performs

Myusername
10-01-2014, 02:04 PM
Unless his conditioning is subpar, he'll get his points. I predict a similar campaign to Stepan's rookie season. The guy has the shot to beat NHL goalies clean, and the speed to take advantage of slow D (and there are plenty of those in the NHL). The puck also always seems to find him... you only see that with very good players. His instincts are second to none and probably the best I've seen for a Rangers prospect in a long time.

AmericanJesus
10-01-2014, 02:09 PM
After various reports that MSL was playing Center in power play practice (Nash - MSL - Duclair), Zip reports:

:tweet: Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay St. Louis said he has played center in Tampa when coaches decided to dress 7 D. Not a major adjustment. "Just need to work on my draws"

Pete
10-01-2014, 02:12 PM
I hope it's just practice.

AmericanJesus
10-01-2014, 02:20 PM
I hope it's just practice.

At the moment, we have a pretty big issue. Assume we're looking at Brassard - Miller - Moore to start the season at center. No one else has claimed that 4th center spot. I think Mueller actually looked the best there, but I'd imagine that means moving Moore up to the #3 spot. Lindberg wasn't glairingly out of place, but he was unnoticeable for a lot of the game last night. Not exactly how you take a roster spot.

Morphinity
10-01-2014, 02:24 PM
I'd rather have someone sort of out of place on the 4th line than someone completely out of place on the 1st line.

And this assumes that MSL isn't an alright stop gap center. I mean none of us have seen him do it, so I can't comment on his ability.

Pete
10-01-2014, 02:25 PM
At the moment, we have a pretty big issue. Assume we're looking at Brassard - Miller - Moore to start the season at center. No one else has claimed that 4th center spot. I think Mueller actually looked the best there, but I'd imagine that means moving Moore up to the #3 spot. Lindberg wasn't glairingly out of place, but he was unnoticeable for a lot of the game last night. Not exactly how you take a roster spot.

There seems to be more depth on the wing right now, I agree. But I'm no more comfortable with MSL there, player who just hasn't been that impressive so far as Ranger, getting his 20+ a night than I would be with Lindberg/Hayes/Mueller getting 8 on the 4th line.

I just think it addresses the problem, but doesn't solve it.

Future
10-01-2014, 02:25 PM
I'm shocked to see Allen cut, but I guess it means we're definitely seeing Hunwick/Kostka as the 7th D. Odds were against him beating out Moore.
It could mean that they are higher on McIlrath than we might think.


At the moment, we have a pretty big issue. Assume we're looking at Brassard - Miller - Moore to start the season at center. No one else has claimed that 4th center spot. I think Mueller actually looked the best there, but I'd imagine that means moving Moore up to the #3 spot. Lindberg wasn't glairingly out of place, but he was unnoticeable for a lot of the game last night. Not exactly how you take a roster spot.
It wouldn't be so much as taking a roster spot as it would be borrowing Stepan's, which is why I would probably prefer to go with the young guy, even if that means essentially just giving him an extended tryout.

jsm7302
10-01-2014, 03:12 PM
Keep a young natural center for the beginning of the season. Give them a sniff with the big boys and send him down when Steps comes back. Talk about making a hungry guy, hungrier..... This should motivate whomever that may be....I assume Hayes.

Myusername
10-01-2014, 03:16 PM
I don't get the St. Louis at center thing. That should be plan C, or D, not A

JOHN
10-01-2014, 03:20 PM
I don't get the St. Louis at center thing. That should be plan C, or D, not A

AV really, really doesn't like Miller. That's what I read into it, anyway.

Pete
10-01-2014, 03:30 PM
AV really, really doesn't like Miller. That's what I read into it, anyway.

Uh...MSL, Brassard, Miller, Moore.

JOHN
10-01-2014, 03:31 PM
Moving MSL to center gives him the ability to move Miller down however. I don't think he wants Miller in anything other than a 3rd or 4th line role.

Phil in Absentia
10-01-2014, 03:34 PM
:tweet: @KevinWeekes: One @NYRangers Front office member to me "Our kids,esp Hayes & Duclair are catching our eyes every shift so far."

AmericanJesus
10-01-2014, 03:36 PM
:tweet: @KevinWeekes: One @NYRangers Front office member to me "Our kids,esp Hayes & Duclair are catching our eyes every shift so far."

Heh, I didn't think Hayes was much more than OK as far as an audition is concerned. Although I don't think I noticed him in a negative way much either. I wonder if this whole MSL at center thing is because he's pushing the issue.

SyKeS
10-01-2014, 03:39 PM
Rick Nash - Marty St. Louis - Anthony Duclair :thumbs:

JOHN
10-01-2014, 03:45 PM
Haggerty has been much more impressive to me than Hayes, but that may be because I prefer his skating and how fluid he is.

RichieNextel305
10-01-2014, 03:53 PM
I've really liked what I've seen from Haggerty. Kid has a nose for the net and some nice hands. On top of that, everyone says his shot is his biggest attribute.

Thump23
10-01-2014, 03:53 PM
Haggerty has been much more impressive to me than Hayes, but that may be because I prefer his skating and how fluid he is.

I think Hayes will adjust to the NHL game quicker than Haggerty. He's very shifty for a guy that big. Although I agree, he looks a little goofy out there.

MacTruck
10-01-2014, 04:50 PM
Predictions with Marty at C:

Kreider - Brassard - Zuccarello
Duclair - MSL - Nash
Hagelin - Miller - Hayes
Glass - D. Moore - Fast
Stempniak

First Call Ups:

Haggerty
Lindberg
Malone

TwoMinutesForNothing
10-01-2014, 04:59 PM
Hayes just isn't flashy, but he looks like a veteran out there. Good defensively and very poised with the puck.

DiJock94
10-01-2014, 06:32 PM
Hayes just isn't flashy, but he looks like a veteran out there. Good defensively and very poised with the puck.

Agreed. Makes some sneaky nice passes look easy as well.

Myusername
10-01-2014, 07:09 PM
Hayes just isn't flashy, but he looks like a veteran out there. Good defensively and very poised with the puck.

Yeah, wasn't too noticeable, but we got some good glimpses of his upside. Has a ton of patience... maybe even too much. Needs to shoot more

NYR2711
10-01-2014, 07:31 PM
Agreed especially Haggerty, I want Duclair and Haggerty and Miller on the team. I would also pick Fast but wouldn't cry if he get sent down.

I just don't see any reason to rush Duclair here. If he hits a wall at game 25, then what? He can't be sent to Hartford or back to juniors. Let him develop another year in juniors instead of taking a chance and burning a year of his ELC. Plus, being at the 50 contract mark, someone needs to go to make room for him.

NYR2711
10-01-2014, 07:32 PM
I've really liked what I've seen from Haggerty. Kid has a nose for the net and some nice hands. On top of that, everyone says his shot is his biggest attribute.

I agree, and IMO, he has out played and earned a spot over Miller. I really like how this kid looks and hope he can stick with the team.

momentum
10-01-2014, 07:49 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about MSL at top center, he's a veteran pro, if he says he's comfortable handling that position having done so in the past I believe him, in fact our right wing is so deep and with Stepan out it might be a blessing disguise where MSL would be the most talented top center we've had in a long time, a real top line talent at center position.
If it works might even be something we should continue with Stepan back sliding him down to 2nd and Brassard to 3rd etc.

DiJock94
10-01-2014, 08:05 PM
I just don't see any reason to rush Duclair here. If he hits a wall at game 25, then what? He can't be sent to Hartford or back to juniors. Let him develop another year in juniors instead of taking a chance and burning a year of his ELC. Plus, being at the 50 contract mark, someone needs to go to make room for him.

The thing is he is so far and away better than everyone in juniors is that really going to help him being down there dominating?

fletch
10-01-2014, 08:07 PM
:tweet: @KevinWeekes: One @NYRangers Front office member to me "Our kids,esp Hayes & Duclair are catching our eyes every shift so far."

We've got players under the age of 23 in camp?!? How did that happen(tongue in cheek, but still happy) :happy:

TwoMinutesForNothing
10-01-2014, 08:27 PM
I just don't see any reason to rush Duclair here. If he hits a wall at game 25, then what? He can't be sent to Hartford or back to juniors. Let him develop another year in juniors instead of taking a chance and burning a year of his ELC. Plus, being at the 50 contract mark, someone needs to go to make room for him.

He can be sent back to Juniors at any time. There is normally a 9 game window where a player can start in the NHL and then be sent back down to Juniors without burning a year of his ELC. However due to the date that Duclair signed, a year of his ELC is going to be burned no matter what happens, even if he doesn't make the team at all.

This is why he's pretty much a lock to make it at this point. There is no risk involved. He makes it and can be sent back to Juniors at any point during the season, whether it's 1 game or 50, and it will have the same contractual effect.

TwoMinutesForNothing
10-01-2014, 09:17 PM
http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/friedman_rangers_trying_to_move_a_contract/17400113?linksrc=story_article_yb_original_head_17 400113


Per Elliotte Friedman, the Rangers are trying to dump a contract via trade to make room for Anthony Duclair, should he make the club out of camp. Duclair is playing incredibly well, and the Rangers have nothing to lose by keeping him around as long as he earns it (his ELC clock starts this year regardless). However, since they are at 50 contracts, they need to dump one before Duclair can play an NHL game.

Even if Duclair doesn’t stick with the club, dumping a contract would give the Rangers trade flexibility in the future.

Phil in Absentia
10-01-2014, 09:26 PM
Makes sense. They really shouldn't have too much trouble moving a body. If I had to guess, I'd imagine Kristo, Kampfer, etc. are all in play. Plenty of candidates to pick from.

momentum
10-01-2014, 09:36 PM
Just do it, Tony D is here to stay baby!

Myusername
10-01-2014, 09:43 PM
He can be sent back to Juniors at any time. There is normally a 9 game window where a player can start in the NHL and then be sent back down to Juniors without burning a year of his ELC. However due to the date that Duclair signed, a year of his ELC is going to be burned no matter what happens, even if he doesn't make the team at all.

This is why he's pretty much a lock to make it at this point. There is no risk involved. He makes it and can be sent back to Juniors at any point during the season, whether it's 1 game or 50, and it will have the same contractual effect.

Didn't even know this. It's a no-brainer then

Myusername
10-01-2014, 09:46 PM
I agree, and IMO, he has out played and earned a spot over Miller. I really like how this kid looks and hope he can stick with the team.

Miller is not going anywhere since we lost Stepan. I also think Miller was more noticeable during his 3 games. That shot that Haggerty has though... damn. I just don't know if his game is developed enough elsewhere to be able to use it often enough.

Pete
10-01-2014, 09:48 PM
Didn't even know this. It's a no-brainer then

This is the catch 22 I was talking about with the AHL eligibility. Should he falter in the NHL, he has nowhere to go but to junior, where everyone is saying "he has nothing to prove"...See what I'm saying?

Myusername
10-01-2014, 09:53 PM
Hmm, not sure what you mean? In either case he has no where to go but back to juniors.

G1000
10-01-2014, 10:57 PM
This is the catch 22 I was talking about with the AHL eligibility. Should he falter in the NHL, he has nowhere to go but to junior, where everyone is saying "he has nothing to prove"...See what I'm saying?

Right now, it's irrelevant. The AHL issue only actually becomes an issue if he falters. It sucks that we can't send him to the AHL if he's so awful he plays himself out of a spot - sure - but what's the point in discussing that until it happens?

The ELC year is burnt whether he's in NY, Hartford, Quebec, Timbuktu or Narnia. There's no asset management question here if we agree that as of right now, he is in fact going to be a Ranger on 10/8.