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TwoMinutesForNothing
08-25-2014, 04:12 PM
Malone looked good and with his legal issues soon behind him from Tampa, one would think somebody signs him (Rangers have talked to him) or he attends a training camp on a tryout.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/272174391.html


Sources close to Ryan Malone say the former Penguins and Lightning winger getting busted for a DUI and cocaine possession in April might have ended up being the best thing for him.

"It was a wake up call for him," a source close to Malone said. Malone is said to be in excellent shape, training in Minnesota right now, and is determined not to end his career by being remembered for his off-ice issues, those close to him say.

Lightning officials for one believe Malone's decline in play over the last two years had more to do than just his body breaking down.

Malone while nicknamed "King of the Southside" when he played in Pittsburgh, is said to have been in a real bad way (off the ice) the last couple years and his lack of commitment off the ice only got worse when his wife Abby filed for divorce in 2012.

Things obviously hit rock bottom for him this past April. Was it really a wake up call? No one truly knows but whoever brings Malone in on a tryout invite or two-way contract is likely to get a very motivated player I hear.

As expected for a player who has been on the decline and was arrested for a DUI/cocaine possession (cocaine charge is expected to be thrown out) during the NHL season, teams have not been blowing up Malone's agent's phone.

That said a few are considering him.

At the recommendation of Rick Kehoe, one team that has done extensive homework on Malone is the New York Rangers, Inside Pittsburgh Sports has learned. They have spoken to Malone about a training camp invite and a possible two-way contract. However, not clear if the Kevin Hayes signing limits Malone's chances of joining New York.

http://insidepittsburghsports.com/story/rangers-among-few-teams-that-have-been-doing-their-homework-on-ryan-malone/67790/

AmericanJesus
08-25-2014, 04:14 PM
Don't like this idea at all. We have a strong room, not sure why you'd invite someone with that kind of trouble in.

Phil in Absentia
08-25-2014, 04:15 PM
What is this, a Tampa/Rangers player-for-player swap? We get all the Lightning, they get all the Rangers?

At 34, I'm just not sure I'd have any interest, personally. His career has taken a pretty steep nosedive, to the point he was on Tampa's fourth line the last two years, if I recall correctly.

We've got enough depth as it is. I'm really not sure what the upside would be.

TwoMinutesForNothing
08-25-2014, 04:17 PM
What is this, a Tampa/Rangers player-for-player swap? We get all the Lightning, they get all the Rangers?

At 34, I'm just not sure I'd have any interest, personally. His career has taken a pretty steep nosedive, to the point he was on Tampa's fourth line the last two years, if I recall correctly.

We've got enough depth as it is. I'm really not sure what the upside would be.

Apparently he was bad due to marital and personal issues that seem to be behind him. I'm fine with giving him a tryout contract. If he earns a spot then great. If not then he goes away.

Phil in Absentia
08-25-2014, 04:18 PM
Well, Sather does love reclamation projects, and Vigneault is known for preferring vets who get it versus rookies who don't. I guess that bodes well for Malone's chances, contracts aside (as the Rangers are at 50 right now — they'd have to make a trade just to sign Malone).

AmericanJesus
08-25-2014, 04:19 PM
Apparently he was bad due to marital and personal issues that seem to be behind him. I'm fine with giving him a tryout contract. If he earns a spot then great. If not then he goes away.

And then he relapses and gets Kreider, Hayes and Hagelin hooked on blow. No thank you.

TwoMinutesForNothing
08-25-2014, 04:20 PM
Well, Sather does love reclamation projects, and Vigneault is known for preferring vets who get it versus rookies who don't. I guess that bodes well for Malone's chances, contracts aside (as the Rangers are at 50 right now — they'd have to make a trade just to sign Malone).

Which will likely be Kristo given his situation.

Pete
08-25-2014, 04:23 PM
If you can't succeed playing with MSL and Stamkos, then you aren't going to succeed.

Phil in Absentia
08-25-2014, 04:26 PM
If you can't succeed playing with MSL and Stamkos, then you aren't going to succeed.

I actually wonder how much MSL might have a say in this? If I remember right, they were pretty close friends from Tampa.

Plus, was it an issue over not being able to succeed with MSL and Stamkos, or an issue over not being able to succeed because of an addiction problem in general?

Jules
08-25-2014, 04:27 PM
At 34, I'm just not sure I'd have any interest, personally. His career has taken a pretty steep nosedive, to the point he was on Tampa's fourth line the last two years, if I recall correctly.

He knows a thing or two about diving in with his nose, alright. Pass.

TwoMinutesForNothing
08-25-2014, 04:29 PM
I would say he was pretty successful with them up until the last 2 seasons.

Slobberknocker
08-25-2014, 05:14 PM
would rather give one of the kids a shot.

Pete
08-25-2014, 05:17 PM
I actually wonder how much MSL might have a say in this? If I remember right, they were pretty close friends from Tampa.

Plus, was it an issue over not being able to succeed with MSL and Stamkos, or an issue over not being able to succeed because of an addiction problem in general?

For me, it doesn't matter. I have no issue with redemption, just find it elsewhere.

Cash or Czech?
08-25-2014, 05:29 PM
Frolov again. Too slow to keep up in the system and not a legitimate scoring threat in the NHL anymore. He'd be useless as a 3rd or 4th liner as well. It wastes a contract spot and cap space more than anything.

torontonyr
08-25-2014, 06:01 PM
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

jsm7302
08-25-2014, 08:18 PM
Adamantly against this. Go seek reclamation in Edmonton or Phoenix. Not here please.

The Dude
08-25-2014, 08:54 PM
Minor league deal or try out. If he doesnt fit, then he goes elsewhere. He could have a lil left in the tank. Not like hes going to get a big contract. Theres lots of uncertainties on this roster. Depth and competition can only bea good thing.

Very odd that MSL wanted out of Tampa so bad, in the year Malone loses it all. Gotta wonder if MSL was with this dude a lot and maybe had to get out because of drugs. Was just weird how MSL needed out of Tampa. No good explanation was given. All speculation on my part folks.

Respecttheblue
08-25-2014, 10:58 PM
The guy was a producer before he fell off a cliff.
The decline was dramatic. If he gets it back, who knows. A lot of risk, and we already have a full load of players. Oy.


Minor league deal or try out. If he doesnt fit, then he goes elsewhere. He could have a lil left in the tank. Not like hes going to get a big contract. Theres lots of uncertainties on this roster. Depth and competition can only bea good thing.

Very odd that MSL wanted out of Tampa so bad, in the year Malone loses it all. Gotta wonder if MSL was with this dude a lot and maybe had to get out because of drugs. Was just weird how MSL needed out of Tampa. No good explanation was given. All speculation on my part folks.

Interesting -- though I'd imagine they would ask a former teammate (MSL) first, about his thoughts on the matter, good, bad or indifferent.

Future
08-25-2014, 11:31 PM
Minor league deal or try out. If he doesnt fit, then he goes elsewhere. He could have a lil left in the tank. Not like hes going to get a big contract. Theres lots of uncertainties on this roster. Depth and competition can only bea good thing.

Very odd that MSL wanted out of Tampa so bad, in the year Malone loses it all. Gotta wonder if MSL was with this dude a lot and maybe had to get out because of drugs. Was just weird how MSL needed out of Tampa. No good explanation was given. All speculation on my part folks.
Maybe he wanted Malone gone and when he said something to management it turned ugly or something?

skunkman
08-25-2014, 11:31 PM
When he was a kid in Omaha I told his dad "If your son would just find a mean streak then he will be in the NHL!"

Give him a try.

DiJock94
08-26-2014, 08:02 AM
He's done. Bad idea.

RichieNextel305
08-26-2014, 06:38 PM
@RangersReport:

Haven't been able to confirm yet that Ryan Malone will be in Rangers camp on a tryout, but sounds like it's happening.

https://twitter.com/rangersreport

That's the latest from Carpinello.

So, if what he is saying is true, it sounds like the Rangers are gonna at least take a look at him and see how he is in camp and in preseason. If he does come in and is back to the level of play he was at before his downward spiral both on and off the ice, it is going to create quite the situation for the Rangers here in regard to filling out a lineup card. But, you can never have enough depth. If Malone is healthy and off drugs and can come back and regain form, we could be talking about a fairly large addition here.

Phil in Absentia
08-26-2014, 06:58 PM
The thing with camp invites is they can almost never hurt. They force everyone to compete at a higher level, so even if he isn't signed and/or it doesn't pan out, it's really no harm no foul.

Vodka Drunkenski
08-26-2014, 07:00 PM
Only if this was 5 years ago., I don't mind a camp invite though. Never know

RichieNextel305
08-26-2014, 07:02 PM
Only if this was 5 years ago., I don't mind a camp invite though. Never know

I'd take the Malone from 2011-2012 who scored 20 goals in 68 games.

Phil in Absentia
08-26-2014, 07:07 PM
Only if this was 5 years ago., I don't mind a camp invite though. Never know

Yeah, I mean if you think about it, I'm pretty sure guys like Strålman, Hedberg and even Fedotenko were all met with similar criticisms. At the end of the day, it's a camp invite.

The Dude
08-26-2014, 07:38 PM
Interesting -- though I'd imagine they would ask a former teammate (MSL) first, about his thoughts on the matter, good, bad or indifferent.

Maybe they are friends, and MSL is going out on a limb for him here. Just always was kinda weirded out about how he wanted out of the city he made his name in, and was a leader of an up and coming team. Like he was running away from something, or even someone (girlfriend?). Allllll speculation by me folks and mods. Take it down if you dont want this here. Not trying to start anything by saying that.

The Dude
08-26-2014, 07:39 PM
Maybe he wanted Malone gone and when he said something to management it turned ugly or something?

Mehh. Then why would he not be up front and against this supposed try out?

NYR2711
08-27-2014, 03:12 PM
With his issues, New York seems lie a bad idea. IMO, this has Theo Fleurey 2.0 written all over it. Not his on ice play, his off ice, partying with hookers and pimps, ect. New york really isn't a good spot for a guy that either still has or even had a coke problem. Too many temptations and demons here. I would hope that they pass, but that if he is serious in playing again, he finds a spot in a more quiet and calm area.

Phil in Absentia
08-27-2014, 03:15 PM
With his issues, New York seems lie a bad idea. IMO, this has Theo Fleurey 2.0 written all over it. Not his on ice play, his off ice, partying with hookers and pimps, ect. New york really isn't a good spot for a guy that either still has or even had a coke problem. Too many temptations and demons here. I would hope that they pass, but that if he is serious in playing again, he finds a spot in a more quiet and calm area.

Neither is any other NHL city for that matter. If he wants to avoid other human beings, he's gonna need to move to Montana and buy a cabin in the middle of nowhere.

Every NHL city is located within reasonable distance of a metropolis, if they aren't located within it directly.

NYR2711
08-27-2014, 03:18 PM
Neither is any other NHL city for that matter. If he wants to avoid other human beings, he's gonna need to move to Montana and buy a cabin in the middle of nowhere.

Every NHL city is located within reasonable distance of a metropolis, if they aren't located within it directly.

But is it as easily obtainable as it is in the NYC area. If he went to Pheonix, Buffalo, Edmonton, Minny or say Winnipeg, is it easy to have it dropped off at your front door as it is here in NYC? Yes he can get it anywhere, but big cities like LA and New York are going to make it too easy for a guy thats looking to get/stay clean. Coke isn't a drug that you can easily escape.

Phil in Absentia
08-27-2014, 03:23 PM
But is it as easily obtainable as it is in the NYC area. If he went to Pheonix, Buffalo, Edmonton, Minny or say Winnipeg, is it easy to have it dropped off at your front door as it is here in NYC? Yes he can get it anywhere, but big cities like LA and New York are going to make it too easy for a guy thats looking to get/stay clean. Coke isn't a drug that you can easily escape.

I'd imagine so, yeah. An addict who doesn't wanna quit is gonna find it with ease no matter what city they are in. Maybe there won't be as many options for it in Buffalo versus New York City, but you're at the end of the day, if he wants a bag of nose candy, he's getting it.

I don't really think Fleury is an OK comparable. He was brought in despite his drug issues, and was mostly unchallenged despite showing up drunk to practices, or taking red eye flights from casinos before game times (according to his own accounts). Malone was arrested, so his issues are public domain now. There's more pressure on a guy like that to stay clean than the guy who is an equal addict, but who the fans are unaware of the issues of.

Puck Head
08-27-2014, 03:32 PM
He's a professional player who has been making 10's of millions.
ANY NHL city will be easily for him to get his fix.

Pete
08-27-2014, 03:42 PM
I'd imagine so, yeah. An addict who doesn't wanna quit is gonna find it with ease no matter what city they are in. Maybe there won't be as many options for it in Buffalo versus New York City, but you're at the end of the day, if he wants a bag of nose candy, he's getting it.

I don't really think Fleury is an OK comparable. He was brought in despite his drug issues, and was mostly unchallenged despite showing up drunk to practices, or taking red eye flights from casinos before game times (according to his own accounts). Malone was arrested, so his issues are public domain now. There's more pressure on a guy like that to stay clean than the guy who is an equal addict, but who the fans are unaware of the issues of.

Generally speaking, there are more opportunities to "party" in NY than in place like Nashville or Carolina. There simply isn't the nightlife. If you want to find a party on a Tuesday night in NYC, you have 100 places or more that are open all hours. If you want to party in Buffalo, Carolina, etc...Good luck. Places are closed by midnight, 2 if you're lucky.

Not saying it's impossible to get raked, it's just not as readily available.

Phil in Absentia
08-27-2014, 03:44 PM
Generally speaking, there are more opportunities to "party" in NY than in place like Nashville or Carolina. There simply isn't the nightlife. If you want to find a party on a Tuesday night in NYC, you have 100 places or more that are open all hours. If you want to party in Buffalo, Carolina, etc...Good luck. Places are closed by midnight, 2 if you're lucky.

Not saying it's impossible to get raked, it's just not as readily available.

Well, yeah, I suppose so, but I'm just saying, he's a millionaire athlete. If he wants a fix, he's getting it, unless he moves to some mountain cabin in Montana where the nearest human being is 20 miles away.

The allure of this type of party, or readily-available party might be more attractive, but generally speaking, if he wants it, he's getting it.

Pete
08-27-2014, 03:49 PM
Well, yeah, I suppose so, but I'm just saying, he's a millionaire athlete. If he wants a fix, he's getting it, unless he moves to some mountain cabin in Montana where the nearest human being is 20 miles away.

The allure of this type of party, or readily-available party might be more attractive, but generally speaking, if he wants it, he's getting it.

Of course, but there are certain situations that lend themselves to that behavior, and those situations exist more heavily in the bigger markets.

Patrick Bateman
08-27-2014, 03:51 PM
I side with Pete on this

Pete
08-27-2014, 03:55 PM
I side with Pete on this

^ And this guy knows about trying to score some K in Albany on a Wednesday night in January.

Mike
08-27-2014, 05:00 PM
NY is the perfect place for an alcoholic, and drug addict. Sign em up.

Respecttheblue
08-27-2014, 08:51 PM
When he was a kid in Omaha I told his dad "If your son would just find a mean streak then he will be in the NHL!"

Give him a try.

Oh oh sounds like the skunk has a lot of black eyes to answer for

skunkman
08-28-2014, 09:54 PM
Oh oh sounds like the skunk has a lot of black eyes to answer for



Exactly when this young man was a Lancer he was huge just not mean!

Lord Al
08-28-2014, 10:06 PM
We need size and toughness

CreaseCrusader91
08-28-2014, 10:22 PM
We need size and toughness

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/28/bc8ba6ac6ae0c17d819c702948d08bae.jpg

Not sure if trolling or being serious.

Pete
08-28-2014, 11:09 PM
We need size and toughness


http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/28/bc8ba6ac6ae0c17d819c702948d08bae.jpg

Not sure if trolling or being serious.

Yea... The last thing AV teams need is toughness.

momentum
09-03-2014, 02:35 PM
Well, yeah, I suppose so, but I'm just saying, he's a millionaire athlete. If he wants a fix, he's getting it, unless he moves to some mountain cabin in Montana where the nearest human being is 20 miles away.

The allure of this type of party, or readily-available party might be more attractive, but generally speaking, if he wants it, he's getting it.Stop talking about cabins in Montana in the middle of nowhere, it's a dream of mine and it reminds me that I'm not there... :)

NYRangers92
09-07-2014, 05:27 PM
:tweet:@NYP_Brooksie#NYR update: Agent Mike Liut tells Post that Ryan Malone will join Rangers tomorrow for informal skates. No contract agreement as of yet.

How many Penguins cast-offs would that be for us then?

CreaseCrusader91
09-07-2014, 06:30 PM
So sounds like they may sign him if he's in good shape. I'm 50-50 on this one to be honest

Phil in Absentia
09-07-2014, 06:33 PM
Ryan Malone, 34 years old and in need of a second chance, apparently will get one from big-hearted general manager Glen Sather and the Rangers.

The Post has learned Malone, a free agent who was bought out by the Lightning after a June arrest for DUI and possession of cocaine following a fallow 2013-14 season, will join the Blueshirts’ informal skates at the club’s practice facility on Monday in advance of formal contract talks between the team and agent Mike Liut.

Liut told The Post by email that Malone, who had been skating at the Octagon Agency’s summer camp in Minnesota, had been collectively invited to join the Rangers’ pre-camp skates by a group of players including Ryan McDonagh, Derek Stepan, Marty St. Louis and Dominic Moore.


A well-placed source told The Post that Malone — who has been placed in Stage Two of the NHL/NHLPA’s Substance Abuse/Behavioral Health Program — has been cleared by the league to sign a contract. The Post also has been told Malone is not likely to face league discipline in the form of a fine or suspension, though he may have to meet with commissioner Gary Bettman and/or deputy Bill Daly to receive an official go-ahead.

If Malone does indeed sign with the Rangers, it is expected his contract — perhaps a two-way — would be in the $675,000-$750,000 neighborhood on the NHL level. His signing would thus have little impact on the club’s cap situation, for he will compete for a roster spot against players with similar cap hits.


The Rangers don’t appear to have a top-six spot open for Malone with the spots on the wing belonging to Rick Nash, Marty St. Louis, Chris Kreider and Mats Zuccarello. Carl Hagelin owns the third-line left wing position, meaning Malone would compete against J.T. Miller, Jesper Fast, Kevin Hayes and a myriad of young, potential gate-crashers for the spot across from Hagelin.

Malone has been a power-play force in front with excellent net presence. That’s a need for the Rangers, who lost power play front-man Benoit Pouliot to free agency.

--

http://nypost.com/2014/09/07/rangers-giving-ryan-malone-a-chance-after-cocaine-arrest/

Pete
09-07-2014, 06:35 PM
Bringing a coke head to midtown sounds like a good idea.

Parsley
09-07-2014, 07:00 PM
Do it!

Phil in Absentia
09-07-2014, 07:05 PM
Bringing a coke head to midtown sounds like a good idea.

I guess it really depends on how well he's turned himself around or not?

If he's still the same addict, who is simply not facing charges, I agree, this is probably going to end badly.

But if this was a wake-up call, it could work.

Maybe I'm just a sucker for redemption stories...

Pete
09-07-2014, 07:09 PM
I guess it really depends on how well he's turned himself around or not?

If he's still the same addict, who is simply not facing charges, I agree, this is probably going to end badly.

But if this was a wake-up call, it could work.

Maybe I'm just a sucker for redemption stories...

I'm just being a dick. For all we know he was a casual user. I'm more against the move because...He can't move.

Phil in Absentia
09-07-2014, 07:19 PM
I'm just being a dick. For all we know he was a casual user. I'm more against the move because...He can't move.

Yeah, definitely a concern. It'd require some creative coaching, for sure. Not sure he'd really work all that well on a line with Hagelin. That line should probably be all about speed, so they can be as disruptive as possible.

He's gotten by playing with some pretty talented players these last number of years, though, despite that total lack of foot speed. Almost like Prospal.

NYR2711
09-07-2014, 07:28 PM
Honestly, if he is coming in here, then they need to move a guy like Glass. No reason to have him making that much money and not playing.

Phil in Absentia
09-07-2014, 07:36 PM
We don't know if Malone is actually making the team, and the two aren't competing for the same role.

You guys really need to lay off the Glass thing. He was brought in specifically, and for a reason. They had plenty of options to choose from for that type of player, and signed Glass first, before any other player, on July 1st. He's not going anywhere.

NYR2711
09-07-2014, 07:42 PM
We don't know if Malone is actually making the team, and the two aren't competing for the same role.

You guys really need to lay off the Glass thing. He was brought in specifically, and for a reason. They had plenty of options to choose from for that type of player, and signed Glass first, before any other player, on July 1st. He's not going anywhere.

Im not jumping on Glass, Im just saying that we don't really need both of these guys on the team. We are short on the cap as it is, a move has to be made if they are going to bring him in. I honestly hate having a guy here at camp that they have no intentions of signing. I would rather get as much of the team playing together as possible to get some chemistry going amongst the lines. I don't like being the charitable team that gives others a chance. Not to be selfish, but I want this team to win and ready to play as a team as soon as possible, not trying to get other guys to feel like the league still want them around.

Phil in Absentia
09-07-2014, 08:51 PM
Im not jumping on Glass, Im just saying that we don't really need both of these guys on the team. We are short on the cap as it is, a move has to be made if they are going to bring him in. I honestly hate having a guy here at camp that they have no intentions of signing. I would rather get as much of the team playing together as possible to get some chemistry going amongst the lines. I don't like being the charitable team that gives others a chance. Not to be selfish, but I want this team to win and ready to play as a team as soon as possible, not trying to get other guys to feel like the league still want them around.

They aren't competing for the same spot on the team, so having both on the roster is perfectly doable. At this point, Malone is probably a third-line player, and Glass is a fourth-line pugilist and penalty-killer when he's not fighting. He's going to see limited minutes, just as guys like Prust used to.

The cap thing isn't an issue either. Brooks noted he'd be signing for near league-minimum (between $675K and $750K). John Moore will also re-sign for less than a million, per Brooks, Zipay and Gross' last reports on their discussions (likely on a two-year deal).

Just a quick-hit potential starting roster with a spare D and a spare forward:



FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.475m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Mats Zuccarello ($3.500m) / Derick Brassard ($5.000m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Kevin Hayes ($0.900m)
Ryan Malone ($0.725m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Lee Stempniak ($0.900m)
Tanner Glass ($1.450m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Dan Boyle ($4.500m) / Marc Staal ($3.975m)
Kevin Klein ($2.900m) / John Moore ($0.950m)
Mike Kostka ($0.650m) /

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)

BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,331,667; BONUSES: $3,200,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $668,333


At the end of the day, too, there's no harm with more competition in training camp. An invite isn't a contract, so there's always the chance he simply isn't signed, for any reason. All I'm trying to illustrate is that he really isn't "hurting" anything by being here, and even if they did sign him, the numbers can work with ease.

Patrick Bateman
09-07-2014, 08:57 PM
You guys make it sound like having a big coke head running around on the ice would be a bad thing

Vodka Drunkenski
09-07-2014, 09:35 PM
Low risk, high reward for bottom 6 IMO

NYRangers92
09-07-2014, 10:32 PM
You guys make it sound like having a big coke head running around on the ice would be a bad thing

kinda was when Redden was here

torontonyr
09-07-2014, 11:22 PM
Listen, I'm from Toronto. I know all about drug addicts being not only functional, but able to succeed in demanding positions.

NYRangers92
09-07-2014, 11:35 PM
i feel like youre using the word "succeed" loosely

CreaseCrusader91
09-08-2014, 12:20 AM
Guys, he's on probation. It would be pretty dumb of him to sneak a fix while he's under the gun of drug tests every now and then. So far he has shown to take the right steps so while his past use may be a concern, I think it is being a tad over blown.

I think he isn't going to piss away a second chance. And yes I know guys do stupid things when they need a fix, but as been said before, low risk high reward.

torontonyr
09-08-2014, 01:06 AM
i feel like youre using the word "succeed" loosely

I feel like you're underestimating the position of being the mayor of one of North America's most metropolitan cities. I'd call that a success.

Pete
09-08-2014, 03:05 AM
Guys, he's on probation. It would be pretty dumb of him to sneak a fix while he's under the gun of drug tests every now and then. So far he has shown to take the right steps so while his past use may be a concern, I think it is being a tad over blown.

I think he isn't going to piss away a second chance. And yes I know guys do stupid things when they need a fix, but as been said before, low risk high reward.

Addicts don't think.

AmericanJesus
09-08-2014, 06:57 AM
Six years past your peak? Check!

Welcome to the New York Rangers.

Niko
09-08-2014, 09:09 AM
My biggest concern over Malone isn't his past indiscretions, but the fact that he's always played a long side a stud player (Crosby, Stamkos. Etc) and we don't have anyone remotely in that league for him to play on a line with.

Phil in Absentia
09-08-2014, 09:23 AM
My biggest concern over Malone isn't his past indiscretions, but the fact that he's always played a long side a stud player (Crosby, Stamkos. Etc) and we don't have anyone remotely in that league for him to play on a line with.

Yes, we do — St. Louis. A guy he's played with in the past.

Of course this presumes you still think of him as a top-6 winger. At 34, considering the last two years of his career, the numbers say otherwise. He's probably a serviceable third-line forward today.

The fact he's played along side stud players is a credit to his ability to play above his own talent level. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. People often talk about players succeeding "because of" X Player (X being Tavares or Crosby, what have you), but seem to forget that it takes a special type of talent to keep up with that player in the first place. That can't be overlooked. It's what makes the best role players in the NHL the best role players. Take Chris Kunitz, for example. Is there anything about Kunitz' game that lends him to stardom? Probably not. But he happens to have great chemistry with the games' best play-making center, and that makes him almost invaluable, which is why PIT made every effort to keep him.

Niko
09-08-2014, 09:33 AM
Well, that implies that Ryan. Malone moves up to our first line. Idk, it just seems very unlikely and far fetched for me. I wish him the best and want the best for this team, but I'm viewing it skeptically, lol.

CreaseCrusader91
09-08-2014, 09:41 AM
I see him as a third line guy and PP guy. He would effectively be the net front replacement for Pouliot.

Patrick Bateman
09-08-2014, 09:54 AM
Guys, he's on probation. It would be pretty dumb of him to sneak a fix while he's under the gun of drug tests every now and then. So far he has shown to take the right steps so while his past use may be a concern, I think it is being a tad over blown.

I think he isn't going to piss away a second chance. And yes I know guys do stupid things when they need a fix, but as been said before, low risk high reward.

As Rick James would say "cocaines a hell of a drug"

Phil in Absentia
09-08-2014, 10:38 AM
Well, that implies that Ryan. Malone moves up to our first line. Idk, it just seems very unlikely and far fetched for me. I wish him the best and want the best for this team, but I'm viewing it skeptically, lol.

I think you're mistaking my position on this. I don't think he's actually a top-6 forward (anymore). He can probably pull spot duty there for a few stretches in the season to shake things up, or in the event of an injury, but based on his production the last two years, coupled with his age, I'd say he's a serviceable third-line player in the NHL today.

I think that's the same position he'd be fighting for out of camp here as well, so the knock against him about him always playing with studs doesn't really matter, because he's not being relied on to be that player anyway. Not to mention that's not actually a knock on a player, IMO, seeing as it takes a special talent to play with the games' best forwards in the first place.

cousin
09-08-2014, 10:42 AM
Let him try out. If he earns a spot he plays. I have no prob with a guy who tries out and earns a spot.

Pete
09-08-2014, 10:46 AM
I see him as a third line guy and PP guy. He would effectively be the net front replacement for Pouliot.

But without the speed that made Pouliot effective. The key on the PP isn't standing in front of the net waiting to get your stick tied up. It's arriving at the net as the shot is taken.

At this point there is no risk to it, I just don't see the reason to bring him into the room, at this point. They have no captain, a lot of turnover, leadership is in flux. I just don't get why. And before anyone can say MSL — Malone was coking away in Tampa and MSL was there...So we can't really depend on MSL to reign anyone in.

I'd just prefer the offer him a camp tryout than actually sign him to guaranteed money.

Vodka Drunkenski
09-08-2014, 11:21 AM
As a tryout it's a low risk/high reward for the bottom 6. If anyone is expecting him to regain any form he had in Pittsburgh, you're in for a rude awakening.

Niko
09-08-2014, 11:44 AM
I think you're mistaking my position on this. I don't think he's actually a top-6 forward (anymore). He can probably pull spot duty there for a few stretches in the season to shake things up, or in the event of an injury, but based on his production the last two years, coupled with his age, I'd say he's a serviceable third-line player in the NHL today.

I think that's the same position he'd be fighting for out of camp here as well, so the knock against him about him always playing with studs doesn't really matter, because he's not being relied on to be that player anyway. Not to mention that's not actually a knock on a player, IMO, seeing as it takes a special talent to play with the games' best forwards in the first place.

But that's my point in its entirety Phil, lol. He won't play with St. Louis and we don't roll lines strong enough like the kings or Hawks where he can play with a very skillful guy on a third line. Idk. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see him coming back to glory here, in this situation.

Phil in Absentia
09-08-2014, 11:50 AM
But that's my point in its entirety Phil, lol. He won't play with St. Louis and we don't roll lines strong enough like the kings or Hawks where he can play with a very skillful guy on a third line. Idk. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see him coming back to glory here, in this situation.

Then my question is, how do you define "coming back to glory"? Or what would constitute success, for this player? Twenty goals? 40 points? I need some kind of qualifying figure to work with here.

Because if either are the case, I agree it's probably not likely, but I'd also note that no where in the NHL is a player expected to meet that criteria, regardless of age, for the price being talked about ($675K-$750K) either. Price sets expectations, in a lot of ways. At that cost, even if the player he's been the last two years is the player you get, you aren't really "losing" anything. Maybe there are better options internally, but how do we know they'd fare any better at the NHL level than Malone would? That's one of those situations where I'd trust the coaching staff over my eyes, considering the wealth of experience they are seeing on a day-to-day basis.

Phil in Absentia
09-08-2014, 11:58 AM
As a tryout it's a low risk/high reward for the bottom 6. If anyone is expecting him to regain any form he had in Pittsburgh, you're in for a rude awakening.

Expectations for any player over the age of thirty to return to the form/production of when they were in their twenties isn't based in reality in the first place.

Players trend downward from 27 on. The concern is always over degree/severity, and just how much is left in the tank.

If the coaching staff determine that Malone still has something to offer, and his role is right (third line checking winger with some size), then I don't see the harm. If anything this just puts a ton of pressure on players like Hayes, who are largely going to be expected to fill the same role, so the team is certain that whoever makes it is in fact the better NHL player right now.

I'm not convinced any rookie is ready until they show they are. Hayes included.

Phil in Absentia
09-08-2014, 12:18 PM
:tweet: @NYRangers: Free agent Ryan Malone says he will continue to take part in informal #NYR workouts "We'll see..I want to be part of something special"

:tweet: @AGrossRecord: Ryan Malone adds he's been in contact with Glen Sather since July 1. More coming on Ranger Rants.

CreaseCrusader91
09-08-2014, 01:10 PM
If the Rangers have been interested since 7/1 they likely have been doing their HW. They know his physical status, legal status etc. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Phil in Absentia
09-08-2014, 03:49 PM
It is only a matter of when and for what amount free agent Ryan Malone will sign with the Rangers. The remaining questions pertain to whether the 34-year-old winger will be able to earn a spot and what roles he might fill for the Blueshirts.


Malone is known throughout the league as an exemplary teammate. When camp starts on Sept. 18, the winger — who recorded only five goals and 15 points in 57 games last season — will be seeking to prove his value to a club that appears to have only two spots open for forwards, including one on the fourth line.

“I’m willing to do whatever it takes here to be part of a winning organization,” the 6-foot-4, 220-pound power forward said. “There’s lots of competition, that’s for sure, but I don’t look at it like that. I just worry about my game and try to do what I do best and hopefully fits into the roster somewhere.

“I bring experience, the physical aspect of the game, playing simple, using my size, sticking up for my teammates. Obviously they signed Tanner Glass to help that role, so why not have a couple of more guys if that’s the role they want, sure.”


But the Rangers and coach Alain Vigneault aren’t so much interested in Malone as a fourth-line enforcer — they want a top-nine forward and power-play producer. At his best, first with the Penguins and then the Lightning, Malone was a power-play net presence and a down-low force with whom to be reckoned. He recorded 34 PPGs in the four seasons beginning with 2007-08.

The Blueshirts can obviously use that type of production, but it is unclear at whose expense the winger would gain a spot on Vigneault’s power play, unless the coach moves either Rick Nash or Marty St. Louis to the point on either unit.

Malone is expected to sign a contract in the $675,000-$750,000 neighborhood within the next few days. At that price, he would be a no-risk, potentially high-reward addition for general manager Glen Sather, who is noted for welcoming reclamation projects, and whose dialogue with the winger commenced on July 1.

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http://nypost.com/2014/09/08/ryan-malone-joins-rangers-looking-for-absolution-and-a-job/?

RichieNextel305
09-08-2014, 03:50 PM
I really don't mind this, and I actually really like it. If Malone comes in motivated and in shape and hoping to prove that he could bounce back from his struggle with drugs, I have no issues with him trying to make it here. And if he were to make the team, I wouldn't be shocked to see him score 15-20 goals. Lets not forget this guy has scored 20+ goals 6 times in his career, which is nothing to sneeze at.

If he comes in and has a strong camp, it could boil down to Hayes vs. Miller for the 3C job. Don't forget, when we signed Hayes, reports were out that the Rangers viewed him as a center. So, if Malone comes in and has a strong camp, I wouldn't look at it as him possibly taking a spot away from a winger (such as Hayes, who could obviously play there too).

If Malone comes in and has a good camp and can bounce back to being close to what he was before, which really isn't totally out of the question, the Rangers would have some pretty serious depth on the wings. Nash, St. Louis, Zuccarello, Kreider, Malone and Hagelin? It's a little bit of everything: size, speed, scorers, distributors.

Again, he isn't that old. He's not ancient. He's 34. I'm sure he won't ever be a 27 goal scorer again. But to say he can't score 15-20 in the right situation is misguided IMO. I'm very happy with the idea of him coming in here motivated and in shape. This could wind up being a very solid addition.

Phil in Absentia
09-08-2014, 03:55 PM
I really don't mind this, and I actually really like it. If Malone comes in motivated and in shape and hoping to prove that he could bounce back from his struggle with drugs, I have no issues with him trying to make it here. And if he were to make the team, I wouldn't be shocked to see him score 15-20 goals. Lets not forget this guy has scored 20+ goals 6 times in his career, which is nothing to sneeze at.

If he comes in and has a strong camp, it could boil down to Hayes vs. Miller for the 3C job. Don't forget, when we signed Hayes, reports were out that the Rangers viewed him as a center. So, if Malone comes in and has a strong camp, I wouldn't look at it as him possibly taking a spot away from a winger (such as Hayes, who could obviously play there too).

If Malone comes in and has a good camp and can bounce back to being close to what he was before, which really isn't totally out of the question, the Rangers would have some pretty serious depth on the wings. Nash, St. Louis, Zuccarello, Kreider, Malone and Hagelin? It's a little bit of everything: size, speed, scorers, distributors.

Again, he isn't that old. He's not ancient. He's 34. I'm sure he won't ever be a 27 goal scorer again. But to say he can't score 15-20 in the right situation is misguided IMO. I'm very happy with the idea of him coming in here motivated and in shape. This could wind up being a very solid addition.

Don't forget Stempniak there as well. A ton of depth to start the year.

I'm with you all the way, though. 15-20 goals is a healthy expectation to have, and one I share.

fletch
09-08-2014, 03:57 PM
With his issues, New York seems lie a bad idea. IMO, this has Theo Fleurey 2.0 written all over it. Not his on ice play, his off ice, partying with hookers and pimps, ect. New york really isn't a good spot for a guy that either still has or even had a coke problem. Too many temptations and demons here. I would hope that they pass, but that if he is serious in playing again, he finds a spot in a more quiet and calm area.

This. All about second chances, but NY not ideal place: 1. given the limelight/pressure 2. the core group coming off a Stanley Cup run why risk the move?

Both team and player would be better off if you got a chance somewhere else.

Phil in Absentia
09-08-2014, 04:01 PM
This. All about second chances, but NY not ideal place: 1. given the limelight/pressure 2. the core group coming off a Stanley Cup run why risk the move?

Both team and player would be better off if you got a chance somewhere else.

I'm no psychologist, but the pressure might be exactly what he needs to stay clean as a source of focus. A goal. The idea of playing on a really competitive team coming off a Cup Final berth who badly want to go back, versus signing a deal in Buffalo, or some other downtrodden city where he'll play his 60 games without a hope of the playoffs, and only for a paycheck while they're bad enough to compete for McDavid.

fletch
09-08-2014, 04:13 PM
NYR may be the only opportunity that Malone has, so he has every incentive to find a way to make it work. Any excuse can lead to a relapse (rough day at the office, stress in personal life, etc) so outlook is probably more important than location.

From NYR risk/reward perspective for me the risk outweighs the potential reward, but smarter hockey minds than me disagree.

RichieNextel305
09-08-2014, 04:51 PM
Don't forget Stempniak there as well. A ton of depth to start the year.

I'm with you all the way, though. 15-20 goals is a healthy expectation to have, and one I share.

Yeah, Stempniak too for sure. Another guy who could drop 15-20 goals.

SaveByRichter35
09-08-2014, 05:46 PM
First Boyle now Malone. Two guys I wanted here like 4-5 years ago. I agree with those suggesting low risk high reward. If he falters they cut him like they did with Moose last preseason. If he proves that he got his head out of his ass and becomes a viable option for AV then I don't see anything wrong with that. He's either going to play his way onto the team, which is a good thing, or he is going to play his way off with no harm no foul.

cousin
09-08-2014, 05:53 PM
Malone talks to reporters after skate
http://blueshirtsunited.com/videos/6547/ryan-malone-speaks-after-skating-with-rangers?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweets&utm_content=twitter_1410206734#.VA4kvFc1DTo

TwoMinutesForNothing
09-08-2014, 06:21 PM
The Pens were after him too, so I'm glad we are signing him just for the fact that they can't get him.

Vodka Drunkenski
09-08-2014, 07:09 PM
Sounds like Stepan and McD had a lot to do with this

FleshistheFever
09-08-2014, 07:14 PM
Hopefully he can make an impression. He looks desperate and empty, which is sad but it could it be a good thing for us. If he means what he says, he is going to compete. And when hes 100%, hes pretty effective. I hope he makes it! Good luck to Malone. I have a feeling this is going to work in our favor.

Respecttheblue
09-14-2014, 08:39 AM
Hopefully he can make an impression. He looks desperate and empty, which is sad but it could it be a good thing for us. If he means what he says, he is going to compete. And when hes 100%, hes pretty effective. I hope he makes it! Good luck to Malone. I have a feeling this is going to work in our favor.


I got a really good vibe from him. I wouldn't say so much "empty" so much as a guy who realizes the impact of his mistake fully; who has gotten a sense of the reality of the situation, and who realizes his career could be headed to a difficult place if he isn't able to catch on. While he's obviously not complacent at all, which is good, but I also get a sense of confidence that he feels healthy and can bring something valuable, and like he said, is ready to do whatever the team needs. I din't feel he was just saying the right things, I felt like he really meant them, and really wanted to be part of this NYR organization. Kudos to Steps and Mac for helping bring him into the fold during off-season training in Minnesota.