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Phil in Absentia
08-05-2014, 10:01 AM
Most of you know the series by now, but for those of you who don't, here's the run down:



• Former talents of the New York Rangers (players, coaches, general managers) are to be critiqued and voted on regarding their career/years with the club, and only their career/years with the club.
• Any performances by the player, coach or general manager from outside their time spent with the New York Rangers should absolutely not factor into your vote.
• You can vote them either a success, a bust or in between if you don't feel they deserve either extreme.


While no one will punish you for not backing up your vote with an argument, we'd prefer you include a reason why you are voting for whatever you're voting for.

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Next in the series is…

RYAN CALLAHAN

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4334542/BSBH/SBI/Callahan_SBI.jpg


Regular Season Statistics:


2006-07
14 GP, 4-2-6, 0.43 P/G, +5, 9 PIM, 0 PPG, 0 SHG

2007-08
52 GP, 8-5-13, 0.25 P/G, +7, 31 PIM, 0 PPG, 1 SHG

2008-09
81 GP, 22-18-40, 0.49 P/G, +7, 45 PIM, 2 PPG, 1 SHG

2009-10
77 GP, 19-18-37, 0.48 P/G, -13, 48 PIM, 9 PPG, 0 SHG

2010-11
60 GP, 23-25-48, 0.80 P/G, -7, 46 PIM, 10 PPG, 0 SHG

2011-12
76 GP, 29-25-54, 0.71 P/G, -8, 61 PIM, 13 PPG, 1 SHG

2012-13
45 GP, 16-15-31, 0.69 P/G, +9, 12 PIM, 6 PPG, 2 SHG

2013-14
45 GP, 11-14-25, 0.56 P/G, -3, 16 PIM, 4 PPG, 1 SHG


Awards:


None

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Regular Season Totals:


450 GP, 132-122-254, 0.56 P/G, 268 PIM


Playoffs Statistics:


2006-07
10 GP, 2-1-3, +1, 6 PIM, 1 PPG, 0 SHG

2007-08
10 GP, 2-2-4, +3, 10 PIM, 0 PPG, 1 SHG

2008-09
7 GP, 2-0-2, -1, 4 PIM, 1 PPG, 0 SHG

2011-12
20 GP, 6-4-10, +2, 12 PIM, 2 PPG, 0 SHG

2012-13
12 GP, 2-3-5, +2, 6 PIM, 0 PPG, 0 SHG

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Playoffs Totals:


59 GP, 14-10-24, 38 PIM


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Previous Poll Results:

Success

66. Brandon Prust (100%)
41. Mike Richter (99%)
16. Michael Nylander (98%)
36. Brian Leetch (97%)
8. Mike Gartner (97%)
12. Pat Verbeek (97%)
34. Adam Graves (94%)
29. Mathew Barnaby (94%)
15. Jaromir Jágr (94%)
61. Vinny Prospal (93%)
50. Blair Betts (93%)
43. (C) Mike Keenan(91%)
14. Sean Avery (91%)*
35. Mark Messier (88%)**
68. Marián Gáborík (85%)
18. Martin Straka (84%)
7. Wayne Gretzky (84%)
31. Jason Strudwick (78%)**
53. Glen Healy (73%)
67. Ruslan Fedotenko (73%)
23. Mike York (73%)
47. Colton Orr (72%)
42. (C) Tom Renney (69%)
5. Theoren Fleury (62%)
48. Paul Mara (60%)
44. (GM) Neil Smith (58%)
21. Martin Rucinsky (46%)**
26. Darius Kasparaitis (45%)
4. Petr Nedved (44%)**
2. Pavel Bure: Success (41%)

In Between

58. Niklas Sundstrom (86%)
1. Eric Lindros (80%)
65. Artem Anisimov (71%)
38. Nigel Dawes (67%)
20. Radek Dvorak(67%)
33. John Maclean (65%)
39. Matt Cullen (63%)
22. Jan Hlavac (63%)**
54. Michal Rozsíval (62%)
24. Marek Malík(62%)
40. Markus Näslund (61%)
37. Petr Prucha (60%)
69. Michael Del Zotto (60%)
45. Steve Rucchin (59%)
17. Brendan Shanahan (58%)
56. Derek Boogaard (57%)
63. Steve Valiquette (56%)
9. Bernie Nicholls (55%)
19. Alexei Kovalev (54%)**
70. Brad Richards (54%)
49. Nikolai Zherdev (52%)
62. Bryan McCabe (52%)
64. Brandon Dubinsky (51%)
55. Aaron Voros (50%)
28. Tom Poti (50%)
11. Dan Blackburn (49%)
13. Kevin Weekes (43%)


Bust

57. Alex Frolov (100%)
32. Valeri Kamensky (93%)
51. Ales Kotalík (80%)
52. Chris Higgins (77%)
3. Bobby Holík (76%)
30. Ryan Hollweg (73%)
25. Manny Malholtra (69%)
60. Matt Gilroy (62%)
59. Chris Drury (59%)
10. Marcel Dionne (58%)
27. Mike Dunham (58%)
46. Scott Gomez (56%)
6. Luc Robitaille (43%)


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Notes

*A player was polled for his first stint, but then returned for a second
**A player with more than one stint, but being judged as a whole

Vodka Drunkenski
08-05-2014, 10:14 AM
This one is tough, for me it's in the middle of in between and success. On one hand, it's not his fault he was put in a scoring position by the team but it is his fault for not cashing in so much, if that makes sense. Injuries also hurt him, pardon the pun.

I'll go with in between

Pete
08-05-2014, 10:22 AM
Success. Unmitigated success.

This guy was a 4th round pick who managed to will his way into a top 6 role that he never really had the talent for, and use that as a springboard into ~$36 million contract.

He's a true success story if there ever was one.

Phil in Absentia
08-05-2014, 10:27 AM
Success. Unmitigated success.

This guy was a 4th round pick who managed to will his way into a top 6 role that he never really had the talent for, and use that as a springboard into ~$36 million contract.

He's a true success story if there ever was one.

Yeah, I was just coming to say something similar. You can say what you will about his talent level, about his departure, etc. But this guy was a fourth-round pick who worked his way into a scoring role, a top-6 role, with the New York Rangers. In what world is that not a success?

The Rangers got everything, and then some, out of a late-round pick that most teams wouldn't have had much expectations for in general.

Vodka Drunkenski
08-05-2014, 10:28 AM
The 4th round pick puts it in better perspective. Can I change my vote to success?

Pete
08-05-2014, 10:31 AM
The 4th round pick puts it in better perspective. Can I change my vote to success?

Done.

Future
08-05-2014, 10:42 AM
Of course he's a success.

The two things that stopped him from being a career Ranger were the injuries and the absolutely ridiculous contract demands.

Valriera
08-05-2014, 11:02 AM
This is an easy one: absolute success. Can't fault the guy for wanting his contract, he put in many years of heart and soul for us and deserves to be paid. I only wish it was a number we could pay him.

H-Dreamer
08-05-2014, 11:18 AM
Obviously a success, if we had accepted a lower salary he would still be a Ranger.

NYR2711
08-05-2014, 11:28 AM
Success. He was good at what he did. He was an excellent defensive forward, and the guy put it all out there every time he played. His only downfalls were his injuries and what he asked for in a new contract. I would love to have kept him, but just not at what he wanted.

Future
08-05-2014, 11:51 AM
This is an easy one: absolute success. Can't fault the guy for wanting his contract, he put in many years of heart and soul for us and deserves to be paid. I only wish it was a number we could pay him.
Depends on what you mean by "blame him."

He had to be completely delusional to think he was worth what he was asking. Guy has only had more than 50 points one time and wanted to be paid like an elite scorer.

Pete
08-05-2014, 11:54 AM
Depends on what you mean by "blame him."

He had to be completely delusional to think he was worth what he was asking. Guy has only had more than 50 points one time and wanted to be paid like an elite scorer.

Guys "ask" for the moon all the time in negotiations. No one really expects their initial number to be agreed to. From what we understand, the Rangers were ready to give him *almost* what he wanted, but the sticking points were a few hundred thousand and the NMC.

Phil in Absentia
08-05-2014, 11:58 AM
Depends on what you mean by "blame him."

He had to be completely delusional to think he was worth what he was asking. Guy has only had more than 50 points one time and wanted to be paid like an elite scorer.

Elite scorers get paid $8M, on average, in this NHL. So you really can't hold it against him. He wanted to be paid as a complimentary player, and the fact he got it is an indication he was "worth" it.

Respecttheblue
08-05-2014, 12:35 PM
Almost an unqualified success for the cap hit. He embodied the quintessential Rangers farm system prospect-come-NHLer success. Scrappy make it go in the net any which way.

That he got out when he did and didn't sign a $6 million deal with the NYR preserved the status of the bang for the buck he delivered. He did not officially overstay his salary welcome by creating a situate where he would probably have been (now) overpaid, fewer minutes and possibly booed for not being a brilliant on the ice $6million star.

Instead we have mostly very, very good memories.
[See you back here (kinda like Dom Moore) at age 35? Nah, doubt it, he gets better at defensive zone face-offs and hustling on the backcheck].

lefty9
08-05-2014, 01:54 PM
Cally was a success, as much as I liked him , I am glad we didnt get stuck with his contract.

fletch
08-05-2014, 03:56 PM
Success. Took advantage of his skills through effort and desire, worked himself into a top 6 player on a Stanley Cup contender, got raise and still gets to play for solid playoff team in Tampa.

If some of the elite talents in this league had Callahan's work ethic, they'd be superstars.

Puck Head
08-05-2014, 08:56 PM
Success

Young prospects should look at Callahan and Girardi as what to do from age 18-23

Mike
08-05-2014, 09:06 PM
Success. Bye.

Niko
08-08-2014, 11:35 AM
Agree with Pete 100%

I don't even blame the guy for the injuries. The guy gave everything he had every night. His style of play wears on you physically and that is partially why he was so lived here.

jjweimar
08-08-2014, 11:57 AM
In my opinion he was an in between. He had enough speed and grit to go to the front of the net that he could have been a more productive player, his ruthless agressive style actually hindered him at times, caused him to miss games when he could have been contributing. I was really torn on this one but it is the decision I came up with and I stick by it. I'm the only one that feels this way and I know I'm going to get bashed for it but it really is my true opinion of him.

Kevin
08-08-2014, 09:31 PM
In my opinion he was an in between. He had enough speed and grit to go to the front of the net that he could have been a more productive player, his ruthless agressive style actually hindered him at times, caused him to miss games when he could have been contributing. I was really torn on this one but it is the decision I came up with and I stick by it. I'm the only one that feels this way and I know I'm going to get bashed for it but it really is my true opinion of him.

The identity that he needed to actually make the team when he was younger is the style that you're knocking since he couldn't sustain it. I can't view him as anything other than a huge success when everything is considered. He very easily could be a Ryan Bourque type of player but turned himself into a very good NHLer as well as a leader and now he really reaps the benefits of all of his hard work. He's an example for all young players out there. Not blessed with the most skill in the world or prototypical size but hustled and worked his ass off to make it.

Mike
08-09-2014, 11:14 AM
The identity that he needed to actually make the team when he was younger is the style that you're knocking since he couldn't sustain it. I can't view him as anything other than a huge success when everything is considered. He very easily could be a Ryan Bourque type of player but turned himself into a very good NHLer as well as a leader and now he really reaps the benefits of all of his hard work. He's an example for all young players out there. Not blessed with the most skill in the world or prototypical size but hustled and worked his ass off to make it.
Repped ... I had to play like he does to make every team I played for. I earned every minute of ice time, as he did/does. He turned nothing into millions, and is in the show.