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Phil in Absentia
07-01-2014, 01:48 PM
:tweet: @sportsnetmurph: Tanner Glass gets 1.45 per from NYR for that 3 year deal.

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Assets: Likes to be involved in physical contests and is never afraid of throwing his weight around. Is a solid team player, can drop the gloves and play either wing. Can kill penalties reasonably well.

Flaws: Is extremely limited in terms of natural offensive ability, so he shouldn't be counted on to take a regular shift each ever every night. May sometimes take a bad penalty to put his team behind the eight-ball.

Career Potential: Rugged depth winger.

http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?3912

G1000
07-01-2014, 01:49 PM
....dafuq?

G1000
07-01-2014, 01:50 PM
Eh, it just wouldn't be Frenzy day without our annual "Why in all hell do we need another scrapper" signing.

Lt. Dan
07-01-2014, 01:51 PM
At least the dude can hit. That's about all I have to say about him.

Chizz
07-01-2014, 01:51 PM
Not bringing back Carcillo?


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josh
07-01-2014, 01:51 PM
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/10/cheech-wtf-gif1.gif

Drew a Penalty
07-01-2014, 01:51 PM
Sigh.

Pete
07-01-2014, 01:52 PM
This guy is fuckin awful.

Just fuckin terrible hockey player.

Morphinity
07-01-2014, 01:52 PM
3 years? Holy fuck. Terrible.

Cash or Czech?
07-01-2014, 01:53 PM
Taylor Pyatt 2.0, but he brings energy and will hit anything

I am Scags
07-01-2014, 01:53 PM
I remember hearing his name a few times in the Pens series, and for nothing good...:disappointed:

Drew a Penalty
07-01-2014, 01:53 PM
I hope he doesn't make the cut. Would be awful for Fast or Lindberg to sit behind this shit.

DiJock94
07-01-2014, 01:53 PM
Blows

Myusername
07-01-2014, 01:54 PM
What's with the three years? Was he really that desirable?

DiJock94
07-01-2014, 01:55 PM
Carcillo would've been such a better signing

Pete
07-01-2014, 01:56 PM
He might be an AV-guy.

Fuck this shit.

Phil in Absentia
07-01-2014, 01:56 PM
:tweet: PLeonardNYDN: Glass to NY RT @WiebeSunSports: Former #NHLJets F Tanner Glass gets a 3-year deal, $1.45M per from #NYR Glass played for Vigneault with VAN

Parsley
07-01-2014, 01:56 PM
:palm:

rvbcaboose
07-01-2014, 01:57 PM
Why do i have a feeling thats 1.45 wasted on the pack?

Morphinity
07-01-2014, 01:57 PM
:tweet: PLeonardNYDN: Glass to NY RT @WiebeSunSports: Former #NHLJets F Tanner Glass gets a 3-year deal, $1.45M per from #NYR Glass played for Vigneault with VAN

Oh god.

We gave up Dorsett to save cap space and gave it to Tanner Fuckin' Glass.

Captain Clutch
07-01-2014, 01:57 PM
Awful but welcome to NY.

Drew a Penalty
07-01-2014, 01:57 PM
He might be an AV-guy.

Fuck this shit.

He is. Pyatt was too. Got to hope that he can change his mind like he did with Pyatt.

NYR2711
07-01-2014, 01:59 PM
I wonder if he is gonna split time with Carcillo? This is way too much money to give him though. This will be the deal I hate this summer.

NYR2711
07-01-2014, 01:59 PM
He is. Pyatt was too. Got to hope that he can change his mind like he did with Pyatt.

But who is gonna want him on this contract?

Valriera
07-01-2014, 01:59 PM
This guy does nothing but hit hard. No clue why we need that for a mil and a half but at the very least he will give us some actual muscle. This is not Dorsett, this guy is a bruiser through and through, and he's actually pretty fast. No offensive talent whatsoever however.

I think if AV keeps him smart it could be fine, but he'd have to have a career year somewhere in there to make this retarded contract worth it.

Slobberknocker
07-01-2014, 02:00 PM
do you sometimes get the feeling that sather goes from moments of pure clarity to moments of dementia?

Drew a Penalty
07-01-2014, 02:00 PM
But who is gonna want him on this contract?

Pittsburgh claimed Pyatt. Anything is possible. Same cap hit too.

Phil in Absentia
07-01-2014, 02:01 PM
Glass is hard to play against, but at the same time easy to play against if you are talking possession and advanced stats. Gonna need a lot of babysitting, but will be fine for the early half of the season when fighting and team toughness are more abundant.

nyr11messier
07-01-2014, 02:01 PM
Yuck. Why 3 years on this scrub, yet only give Moore 2? Whatever sather has been on point besides this today.

josh
07-01-2014, 02:03 PM
One good thing about this signing:
"TaTsaadggdf asfylor Glass gif"

http://cdn4.gurl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/tumblr_inline_mmphge9GqO1qz4rgp.gif

I acant edit this site is fucke dup

it was tanner though
gif threw me off

So Nashty
07-01-2014, 02:03 PM
Taylor Pyatt 2.0, but he brings energy and will hit anything

So how is he Taylor pyatt 2.0? Cuz Taylor did none of that for us lol

Pete
07-01-2014, 02:03 PM
I do no tunderstand the point of the Dorsett trade, right now.

Karan
07-01-2014, 02:04 PM
WTF?! Why give such a contract to Tanner fucking Glass?! Ugh...

http://i.imgur.com/qnniC.gif

Vodka Drunkenski
07-01-2014, 02:05 PM
Can't stop thinking of Mike Tyson's Punchout

josh
07-01-2014, 02:05 PM
I do no tunderstand the point of the Dorsett trade, right now.

Bigger, more polished, kills penalties, cheaper... slightly slower.

Puck Head
07-01-2014, 02:05 PM
I do no tunderstand the point of the Dorsett trade, right now.

I'm a little confused also.
It had purpose and sense to me when it happened.
My assumption was that a push for Moore on 4th line would be made, along with opening spots for Fast/Lindbergh and bringing back Carcello cheap.

The Glass signing goes against that IMO

Phil in Absentia
07-01-2014, 02:05 PM
I do no tunderstand the point of the Dorsett trade, right now.

Re-stock the cupboards. Got a third-rounder out of that that I believe was flipped for more picks during the draft that allowed the Rangers to take six or seven players where they only had four picks going into it.

MacTruck
07-01-2014, 02:07 PM
not cool.

I am Scags
07-01-2014, 02:07 PM
Definition of an extremely average journeyman...

Watch we all love him next May! :rolleyes:

Pete
07-01-2014, 02:07 PM
Re-stock the cupboards. Got a third-rounder out of that that I believe was flipped for more picks during the draft that allowed the Rangers to take six or seven players where they only had four picks going into it.

http://i.imgur.com/5QI2M.gif

Slobberknocker
07-01-2014, 02:08 PM
anyone have an idea on how well he kills penalties? is this a poor mans replacement of boyle, where we give up some offense but pick up some physicality?

Phil in Absentia
07-01-2014, 02:08 PM
Everyone hates deals like this for players like this the day they are signed. He's a Ranger now. Hopefully his connection to AV from VAN means he can find a way to mitigate his deficiencies.

AmericanJesus
07-01-2014, 02:18 PM
I was coming in to see what the bright side with Glass was. You guys suck.

Morphinity
07-01-2014, 02:23 PM
If the worst thing the Rangers do today is sign Tanner Glass, then we're cool. We avoided some big name overpayments.

NYR2711
07-01-2014, 02:24 PM
Everyone hates deals like this for players like this the day they are signed. He's a Ranger now. Hopefully his connection to AV from VAN means he can find a way to mitigate his deficiencies.

You know what, your right. I am going back on what I said earlier, Im going to give the guy a chance. We know not to expect too much from him, so lets just embrace that he is here and that he brings a physical element to the team, something we were missing. Maybe he can become a fan favorite here.

JOHN
07-01-2014, 02:24 PM
These are the kind of signings I truly hate. How does he fit into AV's system at all?

Slobberknocker
07-01-2014, 02:26 PM
if he gives you the perennial gordie howe hat trick the garden will love him.

is he an upgrade over carcillo? i would think that's essentially who he's replacing.

Pete
07-01-2014, 02:26 PM
These are the kind of signings I truly hate. How does he fit into AV's system at all?

He already played 2 years for him...

Pete
07-01-2014, 02:27 PM
I was coming in to see what the bright side with Glass was. You guys suck.

Glass is transparent, therefore there is no bright side.

That goes for the player, and the inanimate object.

Morphinity
07-01-2014, 02:27 PM
These are the kind of signings I truly hate. How does he fit into AV's system at all?

Apparently he PK's, is great in the lockerroom, can fight, and brings energy. Poor-man's Brian Boyle?

He's not good in big games. :(

Morphinity
07-01-2014, 02:28 PM
Glass is transparent, therefore there is no bright side.

That goes for the player, and the inanimate object.

Except for when it's at the wrong angle and it's glaring right in your face. I hate that.

JOHN
07-01-2014, 02:28 PM
He already played 2 years for him...

And from what I remember AV limited the hell out of him. I don't like that at all when you consider how versatile our bottom 6 was las year.

JOHN
07-01-2014, 02:29 PM
Apparently he PK's, is great in the lockerroom, can fight, and brings energy. Poor-man's Brian Boyle?

He's not good in big games. :(

To me he's just another Dorsett but kind of worse.

Pete
07-01-2014, 02:31 PM
And from what I remember AV limited the hell out of him. I don't like that at all when you consider how versatile our bottom 6 was las year.

AV limits everyone, dude. That's how he coaches. The 4th line wasn't versatile. They played the role of the 4th line, and played it well. This guy is Derek Drosett, plain and simple.

Morphinity
07-01-2014, 02:31 PM
And from what I remember AV limited the hell out of him. I don't like that at all when you consider how versatile our bottom 6 was las year.

10 minutes per night and 8 minutes per night, repsectively, in his two seasons with AV. He played 7:29 per night during the Cup run, had 0 points in 20 games, was a -5, and had 18 penalty minutes.

Fuck. He's terrible.

Cash or Czech?
07-01-2014, 02:32 PM
He's an energy guy that will play 12 minutes per night. He's no better or worse than Dorsett IMO. We got to turn Dorsett into some picks which helped us draft a few guys and we get a very similar player back that has a lower cap hit. This is far from the worst signing made today.

Puck Head
07-01-2014, 02:33 PM
You know what, your right. I am going back on what I said earlier, Im going to give the guy a chance. We know not to expect too much from him, so lets just embrace that he is here and that he brings a physical element to the team, something we were missing. Maybe he can become a fan favorite here.


:repped:

H-Dreamer
07-01-2014, 03:02 PM
I remember Pens Fans roasting him alive during our Series. I don't like this at all, hope to be proven wrong.

Blue Heaven
07-01-2014, 03:08 PM
Tanner Glass, WTF :banghead:, and for 3 YEARS?!?!? When the Rangers are cash strapped this is a waste of $1.45 million

Phil in Absentia
07-01-2014, 03:09 PM
You know what, your right. I am going back on what I said earlier, Im going to give the guy a chance. We know not to expect too much from him, so lets just embrace that he is here and that he brings a physical element to the team, something we were missing. Maybe he can become a fan favorite here.

Exactly. And if it doesn't work out, he's at $1.45M. That's not terribly difficult to move out the door.

People tend to roast contracts like this, which is often a major overreaction to a relatively harmless contract. I do say relative, because the Rangers are a cap ceiling team, so it does matter, even though it matters least among all the deals they'll give out.

RangersFan
07-01-2014, 03:11 PM
Maybe Sather lost a bet or something. Very shitty signing

josh
07-01-2014, 03:12 PM
He'll end up being well liked. Rangers fans love these guys. Boyle, Moore, Ortmeyer, Betts, Prust

RichieNextel305
07-01-2014, 03:12 PM
I actually like this signing. Helps the 4th line, which is losing 2 wingers, and brings in some toughness.

Phil in Absentia
07-01-2014, 03:13 PM
He'll end up being well liked. Rangers fans love these guys. Boyle, Moore, Ortmeyer, Betts, Prust

In most cases, yeah. Some guys never get over that hump (Brashear, Hollweg... after the MTL meltdown, etc).

Glass is young enough that he can probably succeed.

Blue Heaven
07-01-2014, 03:29 PM
Im shocked that this clown went to Dartmouth.

momentum
07-01-2014, 03:31 PM
Geez lots of hate around here for Glass....yeah he isn't the most amazing hockey player around but he has muscle and size and can HIT HARD, also have more speed than most think and is decent defensively. I don't mind it, Dorsett brought energy but is smaller and more of a wannabe hitter like Callahan, when this guy hits it hurts. We've been lacking hitting and size in our lineup for quite a while and this guy brings exactly this while still having the speed to keep up with AV's system, finally some toughness, don't know why ppl get all bent out of shape from this signing...
I say lets give him a chance at least.
Welcome aboard Tanner!

Phil in Absentia
07-01-2014, 03:32 PM
Geez lots of hate around here for Glass....yeah he isn't the most amazing hockey player around but he has muscle and size and can HIT HARD, also have more speed than most think and is decent defensively. I don't mind it, Dorsett brought energy but is smaller and more of a wannabe hitter like Callahan, when this guy hits it hurts. We've been lacking hitting and size in our lineup for quite a while and this guy brings exactly this while still having the speed to keep up with AV's system, don't know why ppl get all bent out of shape from this signing...
I say lets give him a chance at least.

Welcome aboard Tanner!

Happens every year with players like this.

I'm with you, though — I'll wait for him to actually fail before I call him a failure.

Pete
07-01-2014, 03:39 PM
He's already proven he's not very good, so I don't expect much. I'd just rather have kept Dorsett, the known quantity.

Phil in Absentia
07-01-2014, 03:44 PM
He's already proven he's not very good, so I don't expect much. I'd just rather have kept Dorsett, the known quantity.

I would have too, but that also means not getting that extra third-round pick in the draft, which means you aren't getting those extra players drafted.

Keegan Iverson was taken with that pick (85) that came back from Vancouver. That extra pick allowed them to move the 89th pick to Washington for two fourth-round selections that became Ryan Mantha and Igor Shesterkin. The extra fourth-rounders allowed them to trade their 4th for two fifths, which became Nejezchleb and Walcott.

So all in all, if you keep Dorsett, you can scratch off Mantha and Shesterkin, and probably Nejezchleb and Walcott as well.

momentum
07-01-2014, 03:45 PM
He's already proven he's not very good, so I don't expect much. I'd just rather have kept Dorsett, the known quantity.

This guy can hit and has speed, we needed real toughness on this team of midgets and non physical players. I think he will fit in nicely.

RangersFan
07-01-2014, 03:48 PM
This guy can hit and has speed, we needed real toughness on this team of midgets and non physical players. I think he will fit in nicely.

One 4th liner who will be scratched half the time isnt bringing us toughness. We reached the cup due to our depth and our ability to play all 4 lines and most of it is gone

Thump23
07-01-2014, 03:49 PM
He'll end up being well liked. Rangers fans love these guys. Boyle, Moore, Ortmeyer, Betts, Prust

My only reservation about this signing is, last year's 4th line was able to take a regular shift. Can Glass?

I feel bad for whoever makes up next season's 4th line, I think people (myself included) are going to have unreasonable expectations because of how well the guys played this year. Depth got them as far as they got last year, hope they don't lose it.

Pete
07-01-2014, 03:50 PM
This guy can hit and has speed, we needed real toughness on this team of midgets and non physical players. I think he will fit in nicely.

He really doesn't have speed and takes tons of bad penalties. I just don't like shipping off guys you know fit in. Yes, I understand we got guys who may help in 5 years. That doesn't impress me, really.

DiJock94
07-01-2014, 03:53 PM
I just think Carcillo at 850k is one million leaps ahead of Glass at 1.45M

RangersFan
07-01-2014, 03:55 PM
I just think Carcillo at 850k is one million leaps ahead of Glass at 1.45M


I agree 100%.

Thump23
07-01-2014, 04:02 PM
He really doesn't have speed and takes tons of bad penalties. I just don't like shipping off guys you know fit in. Yes, I understand we got guys who may help in 5 years. That doesn't impress me, really.

Poo took a lot of bad penalties but we had Boyle and Dorsett here to kill them off :(

Phil in Absentia
07-01-2014, 04:19 PM
:tweet: @NYRangers: "He'll bring an edge to our team that we need...I think we are getting a real solid player there." - #NYR Alain Vigneault on Tanner Glass

Pete
07-01-2014, 04:19 PM
Poo took a lot of bad penalties but we had Boyle and Dorsett here to kill them off :(

Glass doesn't give you Pouliot's production...?

RangersFan
07-01-2014, 04:20 PM
He thinks? AV coached him before lol he knows what he is getting

Thump23
07-01-2014, 04:50 PM
Glass doesn't give you Pouliot's production...?

I believe he can take just as many, if not more, bad offensive zone penalties.

Pete
07-01-2014, 04:51 PM
I believe he can take just as many, if not more, bad offensive zone penalties.

I don't know if you're joking or not, but that's been overplayed with Pouliot, IMO.

Thump23
07-01-2014, 04:55 PM
I don't know if you're joking or not, but that's been overplayed with Pouliot, IMO.

Totally joking. I will miss Pouliot.

Pete
07-01-2014, 04:56 PM
Totally joking. I will miss Pouliot.

Same. He totally got over-payed, but we didn't fuckin' replace the guy LOL.

Thump23
07-01-2014, 04:59 PM
Same. He totally got over-payed, but we didn't fuckin' replace the guy LOL.

No, just posted that in the Gordon thread. I think Miller kinda replaces Richards, production wise, but I have no idea what they're gonna do to replace Pouliot. Gonna need big seasons from Kreider, MSL, Nash and Zuc for sure.

ThirtyONE
07-01-2014, 07:36 PM
Should have just made it 2m and signed fucking Boyle. Jesus. I'm already waiting for the day he's traded. Garbage, garbage, garbage... I guess it wouldn't be July 1 without a horrible signing.

Gorilla Salad
07-01-2014, 08:25 PM
Boy did we shit the bed today. It'll be a nice fight for the 2nd wild card if we're lucky next year. Yikes.

RangersFan
07-01-2014, 08:29 PM
Boy did we shit the bed today. It'll be a nice fight for the 2nd wild card if we're lucky next year. Yikes.


We signed big Tanner Glass! lol

Captain Clutch
07-01-2014, 09:01 PM
9 hours into free agency and people are already writing off the Rangers chances. I assume these are the same people who wanted Vigneault fired a week into the season.

TwoMinutesForNothing
07-01-2014, 11:09 PM
So he's bigger than Dorsett, hits harder, and fights better. Brings the same type of offense, is better defensively and can actually PK. Plus he costs less and we got assets for Dorsett. What's with all the complaining?

I'm just wondering about his skating. Some people here saying he's fast, just not really familiar with it.

I know after we knocked out the Pens their beat writer was flipping out on twitter saying they lost because they scratched Glass and got pushed around and they needed him in to win.

Steven.
07-02-2014, 01:38 AM
Horrendous signing. Unbelievable that he got only ~$500k less than Boyle.

TwoMinutesForNothing
07-02-2014, 01:47 AM
Tanner Glass - 247 hits in 789 minutes last season

Boyle and Dorsett combined - 256 hits in 1,608 minutes last season.

Glass was 8th in the league in hits, and number 4 among forwards. Number 2 overall out of all players in hits per game and hits per minute behind only Matt Martin.

Then next Ranger in the hits rankings is Girardi ranked 41 overall, next is Kreider at 90. Derrick Brassard and Mats Zuccarello would be the next two for us ranked 130 and 155 respectively. This is probably why they wanted Glass. We desperately needed a physical forward.

Steven.
07-02-2014, 01:52 AM
Tanner Glass - 247 hits in 789 minutes last season

Boyle and Dorsett combined - 256 hits in 1,608 minutes last season.

Glass was 8th in the league in hits, and number 4 among forwards. Number 2 overall out of all players in hits per game and hits per minute behind only Matt Martin.

Then next Ranger in the hits rankings is Girardi ranked 41 overall, next is Kreider at 90. Derrick Brassard and Mats Zuccarello would be the next two for us ranked 130 and 155 respectively. This is probably why they wanted Glass. We desperately needed a physical forward.

Hits are an extremely subjective stat.

And his hitting rate doesn't make up for being a bad hockey player. It may have been the reason they brought him in, but it certainly wasn't a good reason.

Hopefully he isn't as bad as advertised, but the stats, testaments of fans whose team he was on, and watching him play tells me that he is, in fact, as bad as advertised.


:tweet: @NYRangers: "He'll bring an edge to our team that we need...I think we are getting a real solid player there." - #NYR Alain Vigneault on Tanner Glass

Coach's pet. Ugh.

TwoMinutesForNothing
07-02-2014, 04:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kKjVca3Y7yA

Pete
07-02-2014, 06:57 AM
Tanner Glass - 247 hits in 789 minutes last season

Boyle and Dorsett combined - 256 hits in 1,608 minutes last season.

Glass was 8th in the league in hits, and number 4 among forwards. Number 2 overall out of all players in hits per game and hits per minute behind only Matt Martin.

Then next Ranger in the hits rankings is Girardi ranked 41 overall, next is Kreider at 90. Derrick Brassard and Mats Zuccarello would be the next two for us ranked 130 and 155 respectively. This is probably why they wanted Glass. We desperately needed a physical forward.

He hits because never has the puck. Terrible possession player, like the fancy stats said.

lefty9
07-02-2014, 07:03 AM
This team needed someone like glass to play on the fourth line, we had no one who could win a fight

Valriera
07-02-2014, 09:08 AM
Hits are an extremely subjective stat.

And his hitting rate doesn't make up for being a bad hockey player. It may have been the reason they brought him in, but it certainly wasn't a good reason.

Hopefully he isn't as bad as advertised, but the stats, testaments of fans whose team he was on, and watching him play tells me that he is, in fact, as bad as advertised.



Coach's pet. Ugh.

While I can't speak about the coach's pet thing, which may or may not be true, hits are certainly a subjective stat. But watch this guy play, he hits really hard. He always looks dangerous, while not actually being offensively dangerous.

I still think it's a ridiculous amount of money to throw at someone like this but we've been surprised in the past by these types of players and Glass doesn't exactly contribute nothing. With an AV miracle he might be a good player, but I won't hold my breath.

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 10:52 AM
:tweet: @NYRangers: "I am passionately hungry to win a Stanley Cup. It's the biggest thing out there for me"-new #NYR @TGlass15 http://t.co/PYXs3UyD03

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 11:01 AM
:tweet: @NYRangers: "I am passionately hungry to win a Stanley Cup. It's the biggest thing out there for me"-new #NYR @TGlass15 http://t.co/PYXs3UyD03


Typical lol

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 11:02 AM
That kind of passion is what you want out of players who sign here — not just guys looking to pad their bank accounts with a big ticket contract they can ride into the sunset with.

It might be typical, but it's also the right attitude to have.

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 12:15 PM
"Passionately hungry to win a Cup, that's a great way to put it," offered Glass in an exclusive interview with BlueshirtsUnited.com over the holiday weekend. "My dreams--or nightmares, if you will--constantly drift to that spring and the feelings that I had before Game Six and Game Seven where I'd wake up thinking I could be holding the Stanley Cup later that night, and then it didn't come true. So the reason I chose New York is that I like the team and think it can win, and I am confident AV is a coach that can lead a team all the way."


"(Winning a championship) is the biggest thing out there for me right now," stated Glass, who at the age of 30 will be playing for his fifth NHL team when he dons the Blueshirt this fall. "We came so close with Vancouver a few years ago, and it's hard not to want that and more every spring. I went to Winnipeg and didn't make the playoffs, then came up short with Pittsburgh. Now I am fortunate enough to come to a great organization in New York that has as good a chance to win a Stanley Cup as anyone."


"I am very comfortable coming here, knowing the coaching staff and knowing what they expect of me," said Glass who has 54 points and 458 penalty minutes in 377 career games. "AV being in New York, plus the team they have put together here, really made the Rangers more and more attractive to me."


"(Boyle) is a great penalty killer, great shot blocker, such a big guy who can get into lanes, but I think I am a comparable shot-blocker to him," shared Glass. "Coming into the NHL penalty killing was a big learning curve for me from what we did in college. Since I went to Winnipeg, and then in Pittsburgh, and took on a big penalty killing role, I think that's the biggest part of my game that has really come along. I am really comfortable with the thinking aspects of penalty killing now, and I hope to be a big part of the penalty kill (in New York)."


"I have played in some big hockey markets, but I don't think there is a stage quite like Madison Square Garden and New York City," stated Glass. "I am going to have the chance to play for an Original Six team, and I think it's really cool. I'm a hockey fan when it comes down to it, so to play at Madison Square Garden on one of the biggest stages in pro sports is just super, super cool."

http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6428/passionately-hungry-glass-sets-sights-on-winning-cup-in-ny?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweets&utm_content=twitter_1404749392#.U7rHhag6Edk

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Saying all the right things.

Future
07-07-2014, 12:21 PM
Thing you're going to gain with Glass is a much greater physical presence...but we're going to lose a lot of those shifts where the 4th line was able to bury the opponent in their own zone. Interesting tradeoff.

If Lindbergh is the guy who comes in on the 4th line, maybe you just trust him and Moore to do all of the actual hockey stuff for 11 minutes a night and just let Glass be a thumper. It could work

But the contract still sucks regardless.

Cash or Czech?
07-07-2014, 12:22 PM
He played on the PK with Pittsburgh last season. IMO it's a good signing as he knows his role and he's not afraid to play tough or get in the way of shots. Maybe he won't be as good of a combo as Boyle-Hagelin on the PK but there's still a lot of good out of a depth signing like this.

Cash or Czech?
07-07-2014, 12:23 PM
But the contract still sucks regardless.

He's cheaper than Dorsett.

Future
07-07-2014, 12:28 PM
He's cheaper than Dorsett.
the AAV is only like a 200k difference or something, though I think they save roughly $500k this year.

The problem I have is that its for 3 years.

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 12:47 PM
the AAV is only like a 200k difference or something, though I think they save roughly $500k this year.

The problem I have is that its for 3 years.

We hear this every single year in July. Without fail. It's best responded to with this quote, IMO:

"All the players are getting paid too much and all the contracts are too long. If you want to compete in this market, that's what you have to do." — Lou Lamoriello

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 12:48 PM
He played on the PK with Pittsburgh last season. IMO it's a good signing as he knows his role and he's not afraid to play tough or get in the way of shots. Maybe he won't be as good of a combo as Boyle-Hagelin on the PK but there's still a lot of good out of a depth signing like this.

I tend to agree, despite the advanced stats really tearing him apart as a five-on-five player.

Frankly, if you are a team relying on Tanner Glass as a five-on-five player, that's a problem in and of itself.

Future
07-07-2014, 12:51 PM
We hear this every single year in July. Without fail. It's best responded to with this quote, IMO:

"All the players are getting paid too much and all the contracts are too long. If you want to compete in this market, that's what you have to do." — Lou Lamoriello
lol...

That works for upper-tier talented guys, but I don't think it has to apply to 4th liners.

Cash or Czech?
07-07-2014, 12:54 PM
I tend to agree, despite the advanced stats really tearing him apart as a five-on-five player.

Frankly, if you are a team relying on Tanner Glass as a five-on-five player, that's a problem in and of itself.

I don't believe in that stuff as you probably well know, especially for grinders.

Morphinity
07-07-2014, 01:00 PM
I tend to agree, despite the advanced stats really tearing him apart as a five-on-five player.

Frankly, if you are a team relying on Tanner Glass as a five-on-five player, that's a problem in and of itself.

It's not "relying" on him to be a five-on-five player. It's expecting a certain level of play out of your 4th line so that they can take a regular shift and not get pinned in their own zone by the opponent. That's not something we had to worry about last year, and, especially in the playoffs, our 4th line put on a ton of pressure and forechecked effectively.

Sure Glass is going to be a penalty killer, but he will be expected to take a regular shift and not hurt the team when he does that. I'm not saying that he will do that here under AV, but we had a good thing going with our 4th line last year so my bar was certainly raised (;)).

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 01:12 PM
lol...

That works for upper-tier talented guys, but I don't think it has to apply to 4th liners.

It works for all players signed as UFA's, as a general rule of thumb. The only ones who it really doesn't apply to are guys who take home town discounts (few and far between), and guys with extenuating circumstances, like previous buyout candidates.

Any time you have the market to your advantage where you can create a bidding war for your services, your actual value will be trumped by your market value, which will in almost every case pay you more than your worth to most teams. The key is to not drastically over pay or over-term players in that market based on age and the fact that by the time most players hit UFA, they only have a few years left of prime NHL years before they begin to decline, sometimes drastically.


I don't believe in that stuff as you probably well know, especially for grinders.

I think it has it's place in the game. It just isn't the be-all-end-all it's often positioned to be. Someone being a bad CORSI player for example doesn't make them a bad hockey player. It just points out that they have a specific flaw that a smart head coach would be wise to acknowledge and work around (as I think we'd agree, AV will do with Glass in that respect).


It's not "relying" on him to be a five-on-five player. It's expecting a certain level of play out of your 4th line so that they can take a regular shift and not get pinned in their own zone by the opponent. That's not something we had to worry about last year, and, especially in the playoffs, our 4th line put on a ton of pressure and forechecked effectively.

Sure Glass is going to be a penalty killer, but he will be expected to take a regular shift and not hurt the team when he does that. I'm not saying that he will do that here under AV, but we had a good thing going with our 4th line last year so my bar was certainly raised (;)).

Which I think you'd agree isn't going to happen simply because one of the three forwards isn't a positive CORSI player. That happens when your entire line is unreliable, like when Stu Bickel was skating at forward, or when Hollweg and Orr were both on the same unit.

With smarter fourth-line players like Dominic Moore here, I think some of Tanner Glass' clear draw backs can be mitigated. He's not this all-encompassing disaster of a player because a couple of Moneyball charts say so. Those statistics only tell a portion of the story.

I'd be interested to see Glass' advanced stats juxtaposed to the likes of Carcillo or Dorsett, for sure.

Pete
07-07-2014, 01:14 PM
We hear this every single year in July. Without fail. It's best responded to with this quote, IMO:

"All the players are getting paid too much and all the contracts are too long. If you want to compete in this market, that's what you have to do." Lou Lamoriello That doesn't mean we have to like it. ;)


It's not "relying" on him to be a five-on-five player. It's expecting a certain level of play out of your 4th line so that they can take a regular shift and not get pinned in their own zone by the opponent. That's not something we had to worry about last year, and, especially in the playoffs, our 4th line put on a ton of pressure and forechecked effectively.

Sure Glass is going to be a penalty killer, but he will be expected to take a regular shift and not hurt the team when he does that. I'm not saying that he will do that here under AV, but we had a good thing going with our 4th line last year so my bar was certainly raised (;)).

I agree whole heartedly.

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 01:17 PM
That doesn't mean we have to like it. ;)

Of course not. I don't really like it either, and I hate that the Rangers are often a team year-after-year who have to dip into that free agent market because of how poorly their drafting has yielded them top-end players. I just don't see the point in prefacing every signing with "too long" or "too expensive". Those are a given when you are talking about UFA players, so why are we tripping up on it, least of all with someone as inconsequential as Glass?

I mean, honestly, if he comes in and doesn't do all that well, do you really think it's going to be difficult to trade him and his paltry $1.5M~ salary elsewhere? He has no NTC or NMC of any kind. I'd imagine that's an easy move to make. Dorsett got a 3rd rounder. Hollweg got a 5th. No matter how "useless" forum members claim players are, they clearly are not, as evidenced by the fact they get moved for value (of whatever kind) every year.

Pete
07-07-2014, 01:18 PM
Of course not. I don't really like it either, and I hate that the Rangers are often a team year-after-year who have to dip into that free agent market because of how poorly their drafting has yielded them top-end players. I just don't see the point in prefacing every signing with "too long" or "too expensive". Those are a given when you are talking about UFA players, so why are we tripping up on it, least of all with someone as inconsequential as Glass?

I mean, honestly, if he comes in and doesn't do all that well, do you really think it's going to be difficult to trade him and his paltry $1.5M~ salary elsewhere? He has no NTC or NMC of any kind. I'd imagine that's an easy move to make. Dorsett got a 3rd rounder. Hollweg got a 5th. No matter how "useless" forum members claim players are, they clearly are not, as evidenced by the fact they get moved for value (of whatever kind) every year.

I guess we're taking about Glass because we didn't sign anyone else but Boyle...short term.

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 01:24 PM
I guess we're taking about Glass because we didn't sign anyone else but Boyle...short term.

That's not really what I meant. I get that we need something to chat about, especially with as little going on right now as there is. I'm saying, I don't understand the total backlash and vitriol that gets thrown at a signing like this. It's so meaningless in the big picture. If tomorrow the Rangers want this guy gone, he's gone. No issue. No hangups.

This isn't Stu Bickel we're talking about, in terms of a player literally only being able to do one thing (fight). Rupp, Hollweg, Brashear (at like 39 years old), Dorsett, etc. have all been moved out for something.

Pete
07-07-2014, 01:26 PM
That's not really what I meant. I get that we need something to chat about, especially with as little going on right now as there is. I'm saying, I don't understand the total backlash and vitriol that gets thrown at a signing like this. It's so meaningless in the big picture. If tomorrow the Rangers want this guy gone, he's gone. No issue. No hangups.

This isn't Stu Bickel we're talking about, in terms of a player literally only being able to do one thing (fight). Rupp, Hollweg, Brashear (at like 39 years old), Dorsett, etc. have all been moved out for something.

Gotcha. I'm ok with his deal. I prefer Dorsett as a known quantity. But I understand Glass' limitations.

Respecttheblue
07-07-2014, 01:37 PM
This guy is fuckin awful.

Just fuckin terrible hockey player.

I just wondered who he was, even -- hardly remember him from the Pitt series or the regular season.


ranking fifth on the team in hits (26), and second among team forwards in blocked shots with eight.
http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/tanner-glass/news-rangers-sign-tanner-glass-to-three-year-deal/

STILL not excited about this signing but I guess I'll try to look on the bright side; he might replace Boyle's shot blocking. And ..., as a former Penguin, he is familiar with antagonistic pugilistic rivalries with the Islanders.

I'm hoping they've scored him as a player who can forecheck and handle the forecheck, but I have no idea.



That's not really what I meant. I get that we need something to chat about, especially with as little going on right now as there is. I'm saying, I don't understand the total backlash and vitriol that gets thrown at a signing like this. It's so meaningless in the big picture. If tomorrow the Rangers want this guy gone, he's gone. No issue. No hangups.




Aren't we stuck with his contract for 3 years whether we like it or not?



I hope he doesn't make the cut. Would be awful for Fast or Lindberg to sit behind this shit.

There ya go ^.

With signings like this you wanna say, "Aaron Voros come out of retirement! All is forgiven*"

*Not that there was anything to forgive; you don't need to forgive Voros for being Voros.

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 01:40 PM
Gotcha. I'm ok with his deal. I prefer Dorsett as a known quantity. But I understand Glass' limitations.

Same. All in all, if I had a choice straight up, I take Dorsett, but I get why they did this. They wanted the extra picks in the draft, and Glass allowed them to kinda replace what they moved in Dorsett.

Future
07-07-2014, 02:07 PM
It works for all players signed as UFA's, as a general rule of thumb. The only ones who it really doesn't apply to are guys who take home town discounts (few and far between), and guys with extenuating circumstances, like previous buyout candidates.

Any time you have the market to your advantage where you can create a bidding war for your services, your actual value will be trumped by your market value, which will in almost every case pay you more than your worth to most teams. The key is to not drastically over pay or over-term players in that market based on age and the fact that by the time most players hit UFA, they only have a few years left of prime NHL years before they begin to decline, sometimes drastically.



I think it has it's place in the game. It just isn't the be-all-end-all it's often positioned to be. Someone being a bad CORSI player for example doesn't make them a bad hockey player. It just points out that they have a specific flaw that a smart head coach would be wise to acknowledge and work around (as I think we'd agree, AV will do with Glass in that respect).



Which I think you'd agree isn't going to happen simply because one of the three forwards isn't a positive CORSI player. That happens when your entire line is unreliable, like when Stu Bickel was skating at forward, or when Hollweg and Orr were both on the same unit.

With smarter fourth-line players like Dominic Moore here, I think some of Tanner Glass' clear draw backs can be mitigated. He's not this all-encompassing disaster of a player because a couple of Moneyball charts say so. Those statistics only tell a portion of the story.

I'd be interested to see Glass' advanced stats juxtaposed to the likes of Carcillo or Dorsett, for sure.
Are we saying that there was a bidding war for Tanner Glass? If that's the case then yea, the rule applies, but I have a hard time believing that. And its not like he's going to be a real important player. If the terms aren't what you like, then walk away.

I fully agree with the second half of that post though. With a couple of responsible players next to him, Glass - or whatever other thumper they put out there - can be much more effective.

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 02:09 PM
Are we saying that there was a bidding war for Tanner Glass? If that's the case then yea, the rule applies, but I have a hard time believing that. And its not like he's going to be a real important player. If the terms aren't what you like, then walk away.

I fully agree with the second half of that post though. With a couple of responsible players next to him, Glass - or whatever other thumper they put out there - can be much more effective.

I think, clearly, there was. How hot it was I have no idea, but based on his comments about "choosing" the Rangers, the implication is clearly that he had other teams in the mix for his services (my guess is the Pens were one of them, and maybe a few others).

Future
07-07-2014, 02:39 PM
I think, clearly, there was. How hot it was I have no idea, but based on his comments about "choosing" the Rangers, the implication is clearly that he had other teams in the mix for his services (my guess is the Pens were one of them, and maybe a few others).
If the Rangers gave an extra year or substantially more money to "win" him, then this is an even worse deal than I thought.

"This market" doesn't have to include guys like Tanner Glass.

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 03:07 PM
If the Rangers gave an extra year or substantially more money to "win" him, then this is an even worse deal than I thought.

"This market" doesn't have to include guys like Tanner Glass.

Sure it does. He was a UFA, and he brings a skill set they obviously wanted to replace when they traded Dorsett.

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 03:34 PM
3 years for Tanner Glass is just a horrible move no matter how you look at it lol. Almost nobody likes this signing

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 03:49 PM
3 years for Tanner Glass is just a horrible move no matter how you look at it lol. Almost nobody likes this signing

Except that it's not. We've been down this path before. You are entitled to hold that opinion. You're not entitled to assign it to those you don't speak for.

Pete
07-07-2014, 03:50 PM
3 years for Tanner Glass is just a horrible move no matter how you look at it lol. Almost nobody likes this signing

Who's nobody? Fans? I repeat: Who cares? "Nobody" liked the Pouliot signing, either.

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 03:51 PM
Except that it's not. We've been down this path before. You are entitled to hold that opinion. You're not entitled to assign it to those you don't speak for.


Its my opinion and there are people here who feel the same way. I didnt speak for anybody

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 03:51 PM
Who's nobody? Fans? I repeat: Who cares? "Nobody" liked the Pouliot signing, either.



Huh? Who cares? Its a message board dude, isnt this place used for venting?

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 03:55 PM
Its my opinion and there are people here who feel the same way. I didnt speak for anybody

You speak for groups of people often, from my interactions with you. Whether you intend to or not, you use a lot of generalizing terms like "fans", "people", "nobody", etc. in supporting your own opinions when in every instance I've seen those groups are non-existent groups you assign that opinion to as a means to not have to combat it.

There's a big difference between writing "No one likes this signing" and "I don't like this signing". The latter implies ownership, and allows for someone who disagrees to challenge you on it. "Nobody" is that strawman I was talking about earlier.


Huh? Who cares? Its a message board dude, isnt this place used for venting?

Venting? Nope. Google us — what does the descriptor say?

"This is a discussion forum for the New York Rangers of the National Hockey League."

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 03:56 PM
You speak for groups of people often, from my interactions with you. Whether you intend to or not, you use a lot of generalizing terms like "fans", "people", "nobody", etc. in supporting your own opinions when in every instance I've seen those groups are non-existent groups you assign that opinion to as a means to not have to combat it.

There's a big difference between writing "No one likes this signing" and "I don't like this signing". The latter implies ownership, and allows for someone who disagrees to challenge you on it. "Nobody" is that strawman I was talking about earlier.



Venting? Nope. Google us — what does the descriptor say?

"This is a discussion forum for the New York Rangers of the National Hockey League."



Other boards is mostly what i mean by that. Im not talking for anybody tho so yeah.

Pete
07-07-2014, 03:57 PM
Huh? Who cares? Its a message board dude, isnt this place used for venting?

It's a place to have a constructive conversation, but if you must vent, then you should vent for yourself, and keep it limited. You keep saying "nobody likes" this or that. You should just speak for yourself. YOU don't like this signing. That's fine, and we get it, because that's all you've offered to this thread.

Fact is, this is simply a Dorsett replacement, so the amount of crap the deal is getting is disproportionate to the actual deal.

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 03:59 PM
It's a place to have a constructive conversation, but if you must vent, then you should vent for yourself, and keep it limited. You keep saying "nobody likes" this or that. You should just speak for yourself. YOU don't like this signing. That's fine, and we get it, because that's all you've offered to this thread.

Fact is, this is simply a Dorsett replacement, so the amount of crap the deal is getting is disproportionate to the actual deal.


Ok thats fine. I do speak for myself but ok, understood

And its not, i think Dorsett is the better player actually but thats another story

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 04:00 PM
Ok thats fine. I do speak for myself but ok, understood

And its not, i think Dorsett is the better player actually but thats another story

Most people would agree, actually. I do as well, but that doesn't make Glass not his replacement. A lesser player? Probably, but he's being asked to fill the same role of fourth line pugilist and penalty-killer.

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 04:02 PM
Most people would agree, actually. I do as well, but that doesn't make Glass not his replacement. A lesser player? Probably, but he's being asked to fill the same role of fourth line pugilist and penalty-killer.



And they could have signed somebody else to replace Dorsett for cheaper but we had that conversation already. Its no problem dude, i'll try to remember how things go here, i'm not here for problems

Pete
07-07-2014, 04:03 PM
Ok thats fine. I do speak for myself but ok, understood

And its not, i think Dorsett is the better player actually but thats another story

I don't really disagree, I'd rather have Dorsett...But the way it played out, we got value for Dorsett and I'd have to call out anyone claiming they've watched enough Tanner Glass over the years to be knowledgable enough on his game to say he con't do what Dorsett did.

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 04:06 PM
I don't really disagree, I'd rather have Dorsett...But the way it played out, we got value for Dorsett and I'd have to call out anyone claiming they've watched enough Tanner Glass over the years to be knowledgable enough on his game to say he con't do what Dorsett did.



I already talked about it with Rome so i'm not saying it again. I just think there were better guys out there and i'll say no more. 3 years is also a problem but he is here now so it really doesnt matter what any of us think, at the end of the day we root for everyone on the team no matter how much someone hates a signing

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 04:07 PM
And they could have signed somebody else to replace Dorsett for cheaper but we had that conversation already. Its no problem dude, i'll try to remember how things go here, i'm not here for problems

Based on age, I'm not sure how many other options there really were. Tootoo, I guess, but he's 31 or 32 now.

The only real alternative to Glass would have been keeping Carcillo, which I'd have been fine with, but they seem to have walked away there.

We're not trying to silence you, just for the record. There's nothing wrong with you not liking a signing or a player or what have you. Just trying to get you to recognize that you've ragged on a rather insignificant signing quite a bit, and justified your opinion with a poor tactic in talking about what "fans" and the like think. That's all.

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 04:09 PM
I already talked about it with Rome so i'm not saying it again. I just think there were better guys out there and i'll say no more. 3 years is also a problem but he is here now so it really doesnt matter what any of us think, at the end of the day we root for everyone on the team no matter how much someone hates a signing

Based on how easily the Rangers were able to get out from under Hollweg, Dorsett, Brashear and Rupp in recent years, all of whom still had a year or more left on their contracts when they were traded, I think it's clear it's actually not a problem.

It's too long a term for your tastes, and that's fine, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it a problem. Not for a guy making around $1.5M who can fight and is still under 35. You can flip that kind of player in a heart beat in this league.

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 04:10 PM
Based on age, I'm not sure how many other options there really were. Tootoo, I guess, but he's 31 or 32 now.

The only real alternative to Glass would have been keeping Carcillo, which I'd have been fine with, but they seem to have walked away there.

We're not trying to silence you, just for the record. There's nothing wrong with you not liking a signing or a player or what have you. Just trying to get you to recognize that you've ragged on a rather insignificant signing quite a bit, and justified your opinion with a poor tactic in talking about what "fans" and the like think. That's all.



Off the top of my head, Downie, Comeau, Gibbons, Santorelli but thats my opinion.


And thats fair, i hear you, no problems from me. Just cant wait for the season to start

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 04:11 PM
Based on how easily the Rangers were able to get out from under Hollweg, Dorsett, Brashear and Rupp in recent years, all of whom still had a year or more left on their contracts when they were traded, I think it's clear it's actually not a problem.

It's too long a term for your tastes, and that's fine, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it a problem. Not for a guy making around $1.5M who can fight and is still under 35. You can flip that kind of player in a heart beat in this league.



I guess i'm so used to them making these 4th line mistakes lol but we will see. I hope he kicks some ass

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 04:15 PM
Off the top of my head, Downie, Comeau, Gibbons, Santorelli but thats my opinion.

And thats fair, i hear you, no problems from me. Just cant wait for the season to start

Downie, maybe, though the $1M over one year thing had everything to do with the fact that he has a relationship with Rick Tocchet. He'd have signed for more anywhere else. Probably in the same range you don't like Glass at.

Comeau, Gibbons and Santorelli don't fit the same bill at all. They're closer to Dominic Moore than they are Derek Dorsett. Have any had an NHL fight in the last two years? Maybe Comeau, but I can't imagine any of them would do it on a full-time basis, let alone be any good at it.


I guess i'm so used to them making these 4th line mistakes lol but we will see. I hope he kicks some ass

At the very least, he's decent at that (http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/5561), if nothing else.

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 04:21 PM
Downie, maybe, though the $1M over one year thing had everything to do with the fact that he has a relationship with Rick Tocchet. He'd have signed for more anywhere else. Probably in the same range you don't like Glass at.

Comeau, Gibbons and Santorelli don't fit the same bill at all. They're closer to Dominic Moore than they are Derek Dorsett. Have any had an NHL fight in the last two years? Maybe Comeau, but I can't imagine any of them would do it on a full-time basis, let alone be any good at it.



At the very least, he's decent at that (http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/5561), if nothing else.



I dont see where fighting is a need on this team. Toughness is a need but thats a team mentality. One guy isnt making us tough and why not just put Carcillo and Dorsett in if thats the case? We made it to the SCF without fighting, i prefer guys that can play hockey rather than just fight because we made it to the cup using 4 lines with 12 guys who can play.
I would rather have 2 Dominic Moores than 1 Dominic Moore if those guys are more like Moore lol Moore was the man on the 4th line

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 04:35 PM
I dont see where fighting is a need on this team. Toughness is a need but thats a team mentality. One guy isnt making us tough and why not just put Carcillo and Dorsett in if thats the case? We made it to the SCF without fighting, i prefer guys that can play hockey rather than just fight because we made it to the cup using 4 lines with 12 guys who can play.
I would rather have 2 Dominic Moores than 1 Dominic Moore if those guys are more like Moore lol Moore was the man on the 4th line

Every team makes it in the playoffs without fighting because fighting doesn't occur, almost ever, in the playoffs. It's arguable as to whether it matters in the regular season, when it occurs so much more.

As to Dorsett, I explained why they parted with him and signed Glass already. It was a means to restock their prospect cupboards, which are all but bare at the moment. Flipping Dorsett at the Draft allowed them to gain a third-round pick that allowed them to swap their own third for two fourths, and then their own fourth for two fifths, effectively picking up four draft picks where they only would have had two in a year when all they had was four picks total. They walked away with seven, and filled the now vacant Dorsett role with Glass. There was a method to the madness.

We've also covered that Glass does more than just fight. He has been a staunch penalty-killer these last number of years — a role Dorsett also filled here that Glass now steps into as well.

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 04:40 PM
Every team makes it in the playoffs without fighting because fighting doesn't occur, almost ever, in the playoffs. It's arguable as to whether it matters in the regular season, when it occurs so much more.

As to Dorsett, I explained why they parted with him and signed Glass already. It was a means to restock their prospect cupboards, which are all but bare at the moment. Flipping Dorsett at the Draft allowed them to gain a third-round pick that allowed them to swap their own third for two fourths, and then their own fourth for two fifths, effectively picking up four draft picks where they only would have had two in a year when all they had was four picks total. They walked away with seven, and filled the now vacant Dorsett role with Glass. There was a method to the madness.

We've also covered that Glass does more than just fight. He has been a staunch penalty-killer these last number of years — a role Dorsett also filled here that Glass now steps into as well.



So what do we need a fighter for? 1.45 for 3 years for a fighter and PKer? The guys i listed can do that for cheaper. Maybe not fighting but scoring goals and two way play is more important than fighting imo. I'm rooting for Glass tho so its cool

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 04:46 PM
So what do we need a fighter for? 1.45 for 3 years for a fighter and PKer? The guys i listed can do that for cheaper. Maybe not fighting but scoring goals and two way play is more important than fighting imo. I'm rooting for Glass tho so its cool

That's fine. The Rangers clearly disagree with you, which is why they've never gone into a single season without someone capable of dropping the gloves.

I'm an old school guy, and I still think fighting has it's place in this game, but even in acknowledging that it's being phased out, I can tell you that if I'm running a team, I wouldn't be the first volunteer in the disarmament line. I'll be one of the last putting down my guns for fear of getting punched in the face one last time.

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 04:51 PM
That's fine. The Rangers clearly disagree with you, which is why they've never gone into a single season without someone capable of dropping the gloves.

I'm an old school guy, and I still think fighting has it's place in this game, but even in acknowledging that it's being phased out, I can tell you that if I'm running a team, I wouldn't be the first volunteer in the disarmament line. I'll be one of the last putting down my guns for fear of getting punched in the face one last time.



Its fine if they do, but when Glass is scratched half the season then we all know why.

And i think fighting has a place too, but i like players who can do other things as well. Glass can PK, fight, thats good. Can he score? Shut down other guys? Help on the forecheck? Block shots? Skate fast? I just like balanced players

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 04:57 PM
Its fine if they do, but when Glass is scratched half the season then we all know why.

And i think fighting has a place too, but i like players who can do other things as well. Glass can PK, fight, thats good. Can he score? Shut down other guys? Help on the forecheck? Block shots? Skate fast? I just like balanced players

I haven't seen enough of him to effectively answer this. I'm afraid we'll need to see it in action before we know for sure, but what I can tell you is that he can kill penalties, as he was trusted to do so with the Jets and Pens, and can fight fairly well.

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 04:59 PM
I haven't seen enough of him to effectively answer this. I'm afraid we'll need to see it in action before we know for sure, but what I can tell you is that he can kill penalties, as he was trusted to do so with the Jets and Pens, and can fight fairly well.


Ok, just gotta wait and see

RichieNextel305
07-07-2014, 06:06 PM
I have no problem bringing in someone like Glass who isn't a lug like someone like Boogaard and Brashear or even Orr, who were anchors. Tanner Glass is never going to be confused for a Top-6 forward, but atleast he can actually play hockey unlike those 3. I have no issues with bringing in players like this as opposed to guys like that.

momentum
07-07-2014, 07:50 PM
Funny how many complain about this signing, personally I can't wait to see Glass in the Rangers jersey and I'm actually excited about him. Yes he is NOT an exciting scorer or a top 6 forward, neither does he fill the void at topline center. But he fill another huge void on our team. Our team was lacking toughness and size (that is used). This is not an idiot or a brute who can just fight and not play hockey, this is a guy who can skate, has improved steadily on the penalty kill and can block shots, he has speed and tenacity enough to be effective on the fore check, this is a guy who can actually be relied on out on the ice.
Then on top of it he's a very physically strong player who can also fight. What's not to like, so we signed him for 1.5 mil...so what, he will provide what Boyle provided in a defensive aspect PLUS he is MUCH MORE physical and tougher than Boyle is and he can fight, all for less money. He has the physical edge and toughness everyone was wanting Boyle to have but he just didn't have. If you compare him to Dorsett he bring everything Dorsett brought but is bigger and hits harder.

I can see this guy becoming a fan favorite.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKjVca3Y7yA&feature=player_detailpage

Pete
07-07-2014, 08:29 PM
Funny how many complain about this signing, personally I can't wait to see Glass in the Rangers jersey and I'm actually excited about him. Yes he is NOT an exciting scorer or a top 6 forward, neither does he fill the void at topline center. But he fill another huge void on our team. Our team was lacking toughness and size (that is used). This is not an idiot or a brute who can just fight and not play hockey, this is a guy who can skate, has improved steadily on the penalty kill and can block shots, he has speed and tenacity enough to be effective on the fore check, this is a guy who can actually be relied on out on the ice.
Then on top of it he's a very physically strong player who can also fight. What's not to like, so we signed him for 1.5 mil...so what, he will provide what Boyle provided in a defensive aspect PLUS he is MUCH MORE physical and tougher than Boyle is and he can fight, all for less money. He has the physical edge and toughness everyone was wanting Boyle to have but he just didn't have. If you compare him to Dorsett he bring everything Dorsett brought but is bigger and hits harder.

I can see this guy becoming a fan favorite.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKjVca3Y7yA&feature=player_detailpage

Nystrom isn't the best example...Just sayin' haha. He's not really a scrapper.

Phil in Absentia
07-07-2014, 09:08 PM
Just checking his HockeyFights card, he's had a few pretty decent dance partners that he's had success against — Derek Dorsett, Matt Martin, Chris Neil last year. Arron Asham and Wayne Simmonds the year prior. Most, if not all fought to draw or win.

AmericanJesus
07-07-2014, 09:15 PM
For the talk about the playoffs, Prust did this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRSl05vZZaI

And our response was this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY23INDTe7c

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 09:17 PM
For the talk about the playoffs, Prust did this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRSl05vZZaI

And our response was this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY23INDTe7c



And we did this

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bziy6QcoKXc

:)

RichieNextel305
07-07-2014, 09:24 PM
And we did this

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bziy6QcoKXc

:)

Listen, I understand where you're coming from in regard to not liking the Glass signing. I've been there. I don't believe hiring a goon in this league is warranted anymore. People like Boogaard and Orr? Those guys are being phased out. Those are guys who have no skill whatsoever and are there to do nothing but fight. Hell, some of them look like they could barely skate. Those are the guys I'm done seeing.

But, Tanner Glass isn't that. He doesn't fit in that mold. He isn't a guy who can fight and only fight. He won't look lost on the ice or out of place the way people like Colton Orr do. He could hit, he could fight, he could kill penalties, he could be annoying to play against. I'm not saying it will wind up going down as the best signing in the history of hockey. But I don't mind bringing in players like this, who are high character guys. He will be a good replacement for Dorsett, and will be able to hold his own in a fight and not look anymore out of place or hold us back anymore or any less than Dorsett did.

Give the guy a fair chance before lumping him into the fire.

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 09:25 PM
Damn it how do i post the whole video?

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 09:26 PM
Listen, I understand where you're coming from in regard to not liking the Glass signing. I've been there. I don't believe hiring a goon in this league is warranted anymore. People like Boogaard and Orr? Those guys are being phased out. Those are guys who have no skill whatsoever and are there to do nothing but fight. Hell, some of them look like they could barely skate. Those are the guys I'm done seeing.

But, Tanner Glass isn't that. He doesn't fit in that mold. He isn't a guy who can fight and only fight. He won't look lost on the ice or out of place the way people like Colton Orr do. He could hit, he could fight, he could kill penalties, he could be annoying to play against. I'm not saying it will wind up going down as the best signing in the history of hockey. But I don't mind bringing in players like this, who are high character guys. He will be a good replacement for Dorsett, and will be able to hold his own in a fight and not look anymore out of place or hold us back anymore or any less than Dorsett did.

Give the guy a fair chance before lumping him into the fire.



Hey i accepted it and i am rooting for the guy. I hope he goes out there and kicks some ass. I want him to succeed

AmericanJesus
07-07-2014, 09:37 PM
Damn it how do i post the whole video?

In the tool bar on the far right, 1 in from the quote icon. Looks like a little film strip. Hit that, then paste the video link in there.

AmericanJesus
07-07-2014, 09:41 PM
And we did this

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bziy6QcoKXc

:)

Sure did. But Stepan wasn't very effective outside of the first game back from his broken jaw. Would have been nice to have him at full effectiveness when we were playing LA. The reason you employ someone who can fight is so that the other team knows if they take a liberty like Prust did, they might end up with a fist to the face and possibly be injured themselves. Prust didn't have to worry about that, because we didn't have anyone on our roster that was a threat.

I'm not loving the Glass deal, but I get why a player like him is necessary. And given how AV likes to roll four lines, plus what we lost on the PK, I get the logic of the deal. I would have preferred it at 2 years and $200K less per, but UFA is what it is. It's not like we'd ever use a guy like BizNasty here who can only fight and give you 6:00/game 60 games per year.

ThirtyONE
07-07-2014, 10:02 PM
I too think we need a "fighter" but I like my fighters to be able to play the game and do it for cheap. When has signing a 1m+ fighter ever worked out for us? There are a million guys we could have signed (or retained) for much much cheaper and with how tight we are on money it makes absolutely no sense. So if this was AV's decision, this move sucks, and even it wasn't AV's decision, the move is one of the worst since Brashear.

RangersFan
07-07-2014, 10:07 PM
So a fighter would have prevented Stepan from having his jaw broke?

Pete
07-07-2014, 10:07 PM
Sure did. But Stepan wasn't very effective outside of the first game back from his broken jaw. Would have been nice to have him at full effectiveness when we were playing LA. The reason you employ someone who can fight is so that the other team knows if they take a liberty like Prust did, they might end up with a fist to the face and possibly be injured themselves. Prust didn't have to worry about that, because we didn't have anyone on our roster that was a threat.

I'm not loving the Glass deal, but I get why a player like him is necessary. And given how AV likes to roll four lines, plus what we lost on the PK, I get the logic of the deal. I would have preferred it at 2 years and $200K less per, but UFA is what it is. It's not like we'd ever use a guy like BizNasty here who can only fight and give you 6:00/game 60 games per year.Are you suggesting that Tanner Glass is going to stop Brandon Prust from taking a run at Stepan? That's a blod and unprovable claim.

Ba Ba Bluey
07-08-2014, 11:56 AM
Gotta love the offseason....6 pages on the Tanner Glass signing. As long as he can be trusted to log decent minutes, I don't hate the signing...

Carcillo was a better Dorsett for this team. Dorsett's impact was minimal.